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Rip The Ripper, Part 2: Digital Media Exchange 2008 and Beyond Warm Worm 01-01-2008
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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 2, 2008, 9:06 am

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>>>> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide
>>>>> low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This
>>>>> means that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal
>>>>> commerce. From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound
>>>>> implications for business strategy: for example, increased security
>>>>> (e.g. stronger DRM systems) may act as a disincentive to legal
>>>>> commerce. Consider an MP3 file sold on a web site: this costs money,
>>>>> but the purchased object is as useful as a version acquired from the
>>>>> darknet. However, a securely DRM-wrapped song is strictly less
>>>>> attractive: although the industry is striving for flexible licensing
>>>>> rules, customers will be restricted in their actions if the system is
>>>>> to provide meaningful security. This means that a vendor will
>>>>> probably make more money by selling unprotected objects than protected
>>>>> objects. In short, if you are competing with the darknet, you must
>>>>> compete on the darknet's own terms: that is convenience and low cost
>>>>> rather than additional security."
>>>>> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
>>>>> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
>>>>> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution,
>>>>> between the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of
>>>>> us already lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any
>>>>> more?
>>>>> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still
>>>>> levied against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy
>>>>> pretexts, in order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still
>>>>> enacted against filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion
>>>>> of our privacy and the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of
>>>>> this is intended to destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it
>>>>> means to create and exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II
>>>>> proves at all useful in bringing new people into the leagues of those
>>>>> now prepared to think 'after intellectual property', think creatively
>>>>> about the future of distribution, production and creativity, we have
>>>>> achieved our main goal."
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>>>> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the
>>>>> channel's claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News
>>>>> has been engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
>>>>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al..
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Related Links:
>>>>> http://www.updocfilms.com/
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
>>>>> http://www.plos.org/
>>>>> http://www.eff.org/
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>>>>>
>>>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>>> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?
>>
>> Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one.
>
> Well your mere mention of it seems like a bit of a steer. :)

Some of the themes in your post are in the movie, and so on my mind lately
s'all.



Posted by Secretia Green on January 2, 2008, 1:17 pm

>
>>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>>
>> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?
>
> Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one. I did watch it, and
> while I did find it had glaring mistakes in it, it was thought provoking
> in some ways...I'm still sifting through it's resonances...
>

It's obvious even basic fact and source checking was often ignored or not
even performed.
Never the less, I thought the movie was an excellent example of
manipulation, itself and it's topics.
Entertaining enough to be worth the price of admission.





Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 2, 2008, 1:38 pm

>
>>
>>>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>>>
>>> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?
>>
>> Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one. I did watch it, and
>> while I did find it had glaring mistakes in it, it was thought provoking
>> in some ways...I'm still sifting through it's resonances...
>>
>
> It's obvious even basic fact and source checking was often ignored or not
> even performed.
> Never the less, I thought the movie was an excellent example of
> manipulation, itself and it's topics.
> Entertaining enough to be worth the price of admission.

I'll concur with that. It's led me through a maze of subjects in what
started out as a fact-checking exercise. Some of those relate to some things
I was into 30 years ago, when I was last career-shifting, so it feels a bit
deja vu.



Posted by Warm Worm on January 3, 2008, 5:36 am

>
>>
>>>
>>>>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>>>>
>>>> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?
>>>
>>> Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one. I did watch it,
>>> and while I did find it had glaring mistakes in it, it was thought
>>> provoking in some ways...I'm still sifting through it's resonances...
>>>
>>
>> It's obvious even basic fact and source checking was often ignored or not
>> even performed.
>> Never the less, I thought the movie was an excellent example of
>> manipulation, itself and it's topics.
>> Entertaining enough to be worth the price of admission.
>
> I'll concur with that. It's led me through a maze of subjects in what
> started out as a fact-checking exercise. Some of those relate to some
> things I was into 30 years ago, when I was last career-shifting, so it
> feels a bit deja vu.

Ok guys, I just downloaded it-- Zeitgeist, right?
For anyone else interested, it's available for free via the Vuze BT
client(/site?) as a very fast download.



Posted by Warm Worm on January 1, 2008, 7:24 pm

> If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, I don't believe in
> gov't constructs.

And yet it's also about business constructs.

> I also believe ones property is theirs to do with as they please.

-- Assuming it's theirs (to do with as they please), which of course it
really isn't.
It isn't in part because nature doesn't recognize artificial borders, and
ultimately, neither do I.

> If you peruse the right places there seems to be more people upping stuff
> then there is downing it and with the slightest amount of intelligence
> there is little chance of the man getting ahold of your ass in the
> process.
> The people that waste their resources vesting in gov't means (copyright
> silliness) will ALWAYS be behind the eightball because they are dragging a
> weighted chain around their pencil thin nexx.

If it weren't for gov't help/protection, many businesses would stop dead in
their tracks.

> Sidenote.
> I have a Rush DVD called 'Rush in Rio', a stellar performance BTW, and
> there are a couple easter eggs on it, one of which is a video of the doodz
> performing the 'Anthem' song from 1975, vintage footage.
> I couldn't *find* the easter egg so I looked at the disc content in
> explorer and tried to open the suspect video file, with a *.vob extension.
> I have 3 different primary video viewers and all the up to date codecs but
> the video was all munged up, not viewable because of something the
> programmers had done to try to keep people from copying it.
> So I copied it from disc to one of my hard drives and got the same result.
> Hmmmmm....... where there's a will there's a way.
> I did a search for the eater eggs online and found the solution as to how
> to view the thing the way the designers had intended.
> So I went ahead and viewd the egg in question the *legal* way, but I still
> wanted it on my hard drive for viewing at my leisure, I mean, its mine and
> I'll do with it what I want.
> Well it just so happens I have the most current version of ATI's
> All-In-Wonder video card with 256mb of ram and it has a screen capture
> ability.
> I played the egg, fired up the screen cap, Ta-daaa....done deal.

Good work!
2007 was the year I learned bit torrent, and [ ;) ] was the last film
of 2007 of many acquired that way. Part of me did it out of a desire for
compensation-- from a feeling of being quite ripped off with all the bad
films I'd seen.
(Hollywood) Fight/Crash scenes, etc., can be so ridiculous because, for
example, one or more good punches or impacts to a head, spine or nose, etc.,
can, and within a few brief seconds flat, break or kill-- despite many
appearing and acting almost as fresh going in as coming out.
(Reminds me in particular of the recent Die Hard sequel and the Bourne
Ultimatum.)

Hollywood often relies too much on the 'suspension of disbelief' for my
taste.
Maybe they'll start suspending some disbeliefs of their own with regard to
file-sharing and start making friends with their downloaders, rather than
enemies.

"The fundamental problem is that copyright pretends that information is
property"
- Ian Clarke, developer of Freenet

>> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>>
>> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide
>> low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means
>> that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal commerce.
>> From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound implications
>> for business strategy: for example, increased security (e.g. stronger DRM
>> systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce. Consider an MP3
>> file sold on a web site: this costs money, but the purchased object is as
>> useful as a version acquired from the darknet. However, a securely
>> DRM-wrapped song is strictly less attractive: although the industry is
>> striving for flexible licensing rules, customers will be restricted in
>> their actions if the system is to provide meaningful security. This
>> means that a vendor will probably make more money by selling unprotected
>> objects than protected objects. In short, if you are competing with the
>> darknet, you must compete on the darknet's own terms: that is convenience
>> and low cost rather than additional security."
>> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>>
>> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>>
>> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
>> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
>> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between
>> the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already
>> lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
>> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
>> against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in
>> order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against
>> filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy and
>> the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to
>> destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it means to create and
>> exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in
>> bringing new people into the leagues of those now prepared to think
>> 'after intellectual property', think creatively about the future of
>> distribution, production and creativity, we have achieved our main goal."
>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>
>> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
>> claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
>> engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>>
>> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al.. ;)
>>
>> Related Links:
>> http://www.updocfilms.com/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
>> http://www.plos.org/
>> http://www.eff.org/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>>
>>
>
>



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