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Solar heating panel installation photos Morris Dovey 02-16-2008
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Posted by Morris Dovey on February 16, 2008, 3:43 pm
EDS wrote:

> Somewhere I've some negatives of it. Have to digitize them.

The fieldhouse sounds like a dream project! If you do find the
negs and convert 'em to digital, I'd also like a look...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

Posted by ++ on February 16, 2008, 7:30 pm


EDS wrote:

>>>>
>>>>
>>>Neat, I designed a similar solar preheat system for a college field house,
>>>gymnasium, and 25 meter pool in NH back in 1979, where the HVAC supply air
>>>is brought through 3 banks of 60' black metal ducting (made up of 4" deep
>>>galvanized decking). Worked great, with air on a sunny 0 degree F. day at
>>>about 80 degrees F. at the HVAC intake. The lexan covers however distorted
>>>
>>>
>>>from the heat and had to be replaced with glass. I gave a talk on this
>>
>>
>>>project at an environmental conference in Norfolk VA. in 1980. Total
>>>additional cost was $48 K. for a 60,000 sf facility.
>>>EDS
>>>
>>>
>>I'd love to see your paper from the talk.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Good Lord, 28 years ago. I might have it somewhere in a mouldering box, but
>the firm I was with then is long gone. Sorry.
>Funny tale about that building, the ducts came in just over the Athletic
>Director's office, and he had to work in his shorts to stay cool. Also
>during the night condensation would freeze in the ducts above his office,
>when the sun came up it would unfreeze and drip onto his desk. Only leaked
>on sunny days ;-) We were able to fix both problems with some insulation.
>The building had a field house that held 3500 spectators, another full gym,
>3 squash courts, offices, a 25 meter 6 lane pool w/ 3 meter board, and
>appropriate lockers, showers, etc. Walls were prefinished aluminum insulated
>panels. Pool was all cedar clapboards inside with 5' gluelam beams. Heat was
>required only on cloudy days and at night when temperatures dropped below
>freezing as we did not have a heat storage system. Somewhere I've some
>negatives of it. Have to digitize them.
>
>

It seems like the materials used would have cut down on potential mold
issues and still withstand a pretty huge temperature range. Do you
remember what you used for insulation?

>EDS
>
>
>
>
>


Posted by EDS on February 17, 2008, 3:07 pm



>
>
> EDS wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>Neat, I designed a similar solar preheat system for a college field
>>>>house, gymnasium, and 25 meter pool in NH back in 1979, where the HVAC
>>>>supply air is brought through 3 banks of 60' black metal ducting (made
>>>>up of 4" deep galvanized decking). Worked great, with air on a sunny 0
>>>>degree F. day at about 80 degrees F. at the HVAC intake. The lexan
>>>>covers however distorted
>>>>from the heat and had to be replaced with glass. I gave a talk on this
>>>
>>>>project at an environmental conference in Norfolk VA. in 1980. Total
>>>>additional cost was $48 K. for a 60,000 sf facility.
>>>>EDS
>>>>
>>>I'd love to see your paper from the talk.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Good Lord, 28 years ago. I might have it somewhere in a mouldering box,
>>but the firm I was with then is long gone. Sorry.
>>Funny tale about that building, the ducts came in just over the Athletic
>>Director's office, and he had to work in his shorts to stay cool. Also
>>during the night condensation would freeze in the ducts above his office,
>>when the sun came up it would unfreeze and drip onto his desk. Only leaked
>>on sunny days ;-) We were able to fix both problems with some insulation.
>>The building had a field house that held 3500 spectators, another full
>>gym, 3 squash courts, offices, a 25 meter 6 lane pool w/ 3 meter board,
>>and appropriate lockers, showers, etc. Walls were prefinished aluminum
>>insulated panels. Pool was all cedar clapboards inside with 5' gluelam
>>beams. Heat was required only on cloudy days and at night when
>>temperatures dropped below freezing as we did not have a heat storage
>>system. Somewhere I've some negatives of it. Have to digitize them.
>>
>
> It seems like the materials used would have cut down on potential mold
> issues and still withstand a pretty huge temperature range. Do you
> remember what you used for insulation?
>
>>EDS
>>
>>

I think it was iso, but possibly Styrofoam
EDS



Posted by Kris Krieger on February 16, 2008, 5:01 pm

> For anyone interested in seeing photos of an installation of
> commercial "drop-in" passive solar air-heating panels, you're
> invited to visit
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/SC_Madison
>
> The pictured installation took less than an hour with a four man
> crew and has kept the building "shirtsleeve comfortable" through
> the winter.
>

THanks, I think that's very interesting. Would it be structuraklly
possible to use these panels as the major portion of a house structure...?

An additional aspect - how to add solar panels in ways that wouldn't get
you sued by the local suburban "architectural approval board"...


Posted by Morris Dovey on February 16, 2008, 5:20 pm
Kris Krieger wrote:
>
>
> > For anyone interested in seeing photos of an installation of
> > commercial "drop-in" passive solar air-heating panels, you're
> > invited to visit
> >
> > http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/SC_Madison
> >
> > The pictured installation took less than an hour with a four man
> > crew and has kept the building "shirtsleeve comfortable" through
> > the winter.
>
> Thanks, I think that's very interesting. Would it be structurally
> possible to use these panels as the major portion of a house structure...?

Gotta state the obvious: these panels aren't suitable for use as
load-bearing components. Less obvious: I /can/ build structural
panels, and I've worked out a way to integrate framing _and_
collector, but it'd only make sense for new construction.

Having laid that groundwork, I'll say that incorporating these
panels into a south-facing wall in such a way that they
/appeared/ to be the major portion of that wall would be more
than just "interesting".

Panels in east/west walls will provide heat in morning/evening
which seems attractive until you realize that they'll do that on
a year-round basis. I wouldn't put 'em there without planning to
install covers every spring (and store 'em every fall). Even as
the proud designer/manufacturer, I think I'd rather have
east/west windows. :-)

> An additional aspect - how to add solar panels in ways that wouldn't get
> you sued by the local suburban "architectural approval board"...

That, fortunately, hasn't been a problem so far for any of my
customers. If it's like to be an issue for you, I'd suggest
getting favorable resolution before doing the installation.

Just to keep things interesting, it's possible to build other
than black panels if an efficiency hit is acceptable. Use of
colored panels will raise the square footage required to produce
the same amount of heat, but may help in dealing with approval
boards, neighborhood associations, etc.

If that strikes you as interesting, you may enjoy looking over
another web page at

http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Absorber.html

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

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