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Stupid footer question Bill 04-09-2008
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Posted by Bill on April 9, 2008, 10:13 am
Ok, here comes the stupid footer question of the month. I've been
researching info on constructing a garage and know that I have to have a
footer below the frost line, which in my neck of the woods is 32 inches, my
question is exactly WHAT has to be below that line. Does the entire footer
need to be below as in a 8 inch thick footer has the top of the footer at
32 inches or does the footer just have to sit or have its bottom at the
frost line.

I originally thought it was the first way but have since seen some
inferences that it might be the second way. I want to do this correctly but
if I can start the footer 8 inches higher I save on hand digging 16 x 8
inches of dirt and save on 8 x 8 inches of concrete for the stem wall thus
lightening the load on my wallet and back.

Bill

Posted by Pierre Levesque on April 9, 2008, 10:38 am

> Ok, here comes the stupid footer question of the month. I've been
> researching info on constructing a garage and know that I have to have a
> footer below the frost line, which in my neck of the woods is 32 inches,
> my
> question is exactly WHAT has to be below that line. Does the entire
> footer
> need to be below as in a 8 inch thick footer has the top of the footer at
> 32 inches or does the footer just have to sit or have its bottom at the
> frost line.
>
> I originally thought it was the first way but have since seen some
> inferences that it might be the second way. I want to do this correctly
> but
> if I can start the footer 8 inches higher I save on hand digging 16 x 8
> inches of dirt and save on 8 x 8 inches of concrete for the stem wall thus
> lightening the load on my wallet and back.
>
> Bill

Top of the footing.



Posted by EDS on April 9, 2008, 4:06 pm



>
>> Ok, here comes the stupid footer question of the month. I've been
>> researching info on constructing a garage and know that I have to have a
>> footer below the frost line, which in my neck of the woods is 32 inches,
>> my
>> question is exactly WHAT has to be below that line. Does the entire
>> footer
>> need to be below as in a 8 inch thick footer has the top of the footer at
>> 32 inches or does the footer just have to sit or have its bottom at the
>> frost line.
>>
>> I originally thought it was the first way but have since seen some
>> inferences that it might be the second way. I want to do this correctly
>> but
>> if I can start the footer 8 inches higher I save on hand digging 16 x 8
>> inches of dirt and save on 8 x 8 inches of concrete for the stem wall
>> thus
>> lightening the load on my wallet and back.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Top of the footing.
>
Around here it is a 48" frost line and to the BOTTOM of the footing. Why the
top? What if the footing is 2' thick?
EDS



Posted by Edgar on April 9, 2008, 7:42 pm
>
>
>
>>
>>> Ok, here comes the stupid footer question of the month. I've been
>>> researching info on constructing a garage and know that I have to have a
>>> footer below the frost line, which in my neck of the woods is 32 inches,
>>> my
>>> question is exactly WHAT has to be below that line. Does the entire
>>> footer
>>> need to be below as in a 8 inch thick footer has the top of the footer
>>> at
>>> 32 inches or does the footer just have to sit or have its bottom at the
>>> frost line.
>>>
>>> I originally thought it was the first way but have since seen some
>>> inferences that it might be the second way. I want to do this correctly
>>> but
>>> if I can start the footer 8 inches higher I save on hand digging 16 x 8
>>> inches of dirt and save on 8 x 8 inches of concrete for the stem wall
>>> thus
>>> lightening the load on my wallet and back.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Top of the footing.
>>
> Around here it is a 48" frost line and to the BOTTOM of the footing. Why
> the top? What if the footing is 2' thick?
> EDS
>

I always thought the same though we never have to deal with frost lines
where we build so I don't know. The way I understand is that SOMETHING has
to sit on solid ground that won't shift to much, so if the bottom is below
the frost line, the rest "should" stay relatively put. That's all pure
assumption though, so take it with a grain of salt.

Basically here in California the frost line is above where a standard
footing would be anyways, so we build em like normal. This makes me think
that it's the bottom that must sit below the frost line.

--
Edgar


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Posted by RicodJour on April 9, 2008, 11:19 pm
wrote:
>
> >>> Ok, here comes the stupid footer question of the month. I've been
> >>> researching info on constructing a garage and know that I have to have a
> >>> footer below the frost line, which in my neck of the woods is 32 inches,
> >>> my
> >>> question is exactly WHAT has to be below that line. Does the entire
> >>> footer
> >>> need to be below as in a 8 inch thick footer has the top of the footer
> >>> at
> >>> 32 inches or does the footer just have to sit or have its bottom at the
> >>> frost line.
>
> >>> I originally thought it was the first way but have since seen some
> >>> inferences that it might be the second way. I want to do this correctly
> >>> but
> >>> if I can start the footer 8 inches higher I save on hand digging 16 x 8
> >>> inches of dirt and save on 8 x 8 inches of concrete for the stem wall
> >>> thus
> >>> lightening the load on my wallet and back.
>
> >> Top of the footing.
>
> > Around here it is a 48" frost line and to the BOTTOM of the footing. Why
> > the top? What if the footing is 2' thick?
>
> I always thought the same though we never have to deal with frost lines
> where we build so I don't know. The way I understand is that SOMETHING has
> to sit on solid ground that won't shift to much, so if the bottom is below
> the frost line, the rest "should" stay relatively put. That's all pure
> assumption though, so take it with a grain of salt.
>
> Basically here in California the frost line is above where a standard
> footing would be anyways, so we build em like normal. This makes me think
> that it's the bottom that must sit below the frost line.

The frost line is an imaginary line and, hopefully, not the actual
depth of frost - otherwise you're in trouble. The frost line is a
design criteria and the footing should sit on undisturbed soil no less
than the stated depth.

R


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