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That Bridge in Minneapolis Mac the Nice 08-02-2007
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Posted by Mac the Nice on August 2, 2007, 3:07 am
When I first saw that bridge in Minneapolis under construction, where it was
going up just a few blocks upstream from the grand old Tenth Avenue Bridge
with its classic contours of open spandrel arches, tried and true to the
test of time as the aqueducts of Rome, I couldn't but stand there and wonder
why on earth they were putting that new, totally shitty looking bridge in
over the river--and right there of all places.

Well! As of that date, when the bridge was nearing completion in 1967, the
I-35W expressway that it was being built to serve, had not itself as yet
come anywhere near to that site. The freeway still remained to be bulldozed
through the whole breadth of a then as yet sedate and really quite
pleasingly laid-out downtown Minneapolis cityscape, so richly adorned as it
then way by the art nouveau architectures of La Belle Epoche with those
stately old boulevards planted with elms and flowers, statuary and benches
where two major thoroughfares came together, flowing into the downtown Loop
past Mount Curve, around all the magnificent old cathedrals, the Tyrone
Guthrie theatre, the Walker Art Center and Loring Park.

No! I hadn't the foggiest idea of what the future held in store via the
agendae of those city planners, so far as a huge, rumbling, crushing,
crumbling invasion of I-35W to come smashing its way through it all, so I
couldn't for the life of me imagine why anything so ugly as that horrid
green bridge . . .

http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/bridges/pages/ms16.html

. . . should even so much as be there to stand in such ugly redundancy to
something so elegantly monumental as this . . .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Minneapolis-Panorama-2006-10-20.jpg


It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly what
went wrong in the design of that horrid looking too big for its britches,
nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as you
look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist with a mind to take that
new bridge down, simply ask yourself what a few small well-placed charges
could do as your eye catches sight of those four puny points, all that are
holding it aloft! See for yourselves where the cantilevered steel trusses
come down to make contact with those shockingly spindly looking piers, for
the God's sake.

As a quick visit to http://tinyurl.com/34r5uy will show, you may observe
that while, "A spandrel-braced arch or open spandrel deck arch carries the
deck on top of the arch . . . some metal bridges which appear to be (the)
open spandrel deck arch are, in fact, cantilever; these rely on diagonal
bracing. A true arch bridge relies on vertical members to transmit the load
which is carried by the arch."

Can there be any replacement for the true arch? I am no civil engineer, nor
any kind of architect, but something of pure intuition is telling me there
must be some quite possibly as yet unfathomed strength of support that comes
by a mystery of Cartesian magic in the geometry of the unbroken contour of a
curve. Some kind of grand leverage going on there toward a purpose of
uplifting things and holding them up, even over the centuries. Just seems
there's something in the fact that the Coliseum is still standing that
serves a fair amount of support toward that conclusion.

The false arch of cantilevered steel construction that was thought to be
very 'state of the art' for I-35W quite clearly has not proven to be quite
the smart, fresh, with-it idea as its schemers had thought, seeing how it
could not even so much as begin to stand up to "the bridge considered the
crowning achievement of Minneapolis city engineer Kristoffer Olsen Oustad"
as built between the years of 1926 to 1929 to stand the test of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Avenue_Bridge_(Minneapolis)

And you have all seen it in the newsfilm, Oustad's bridge, the 10th Avenue
Bridge, the "Cedar Avenue" bridge, it's all the same one, standing there
yet, strong and serviceable as ever beside the wreckage of the fancy "new"
idea.

When I stood there that day on my way home from campus looking out over the
river to see the way the builders of that new bridge had seen fit in their
hubris to design their construction as to seemingly dwarf (in mere terms of
height and breadth) the appearance of the old solution, I was not impressed.

No. I was just not impressed.

I am still not impressed.
--
Mackie
http://www.mackiemesser.zoomshare.com/0.html
http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/




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Posted by Eric Gisse on August 2, 2007, 4:05 am
[...]

> It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly what
> went wrong in the design of that horrid looking too big for its britches,
> nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as you
> look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist [...]

Well now. That didn't take long at all.


Posted by Mac the Nice on August 2, 2007, 4:15 am

> [...]
>
>> It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly
>> what
>> went wrong in the design of that horrid looking too big for its britches,
>> nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as
>> you
>> look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist [...]
>
> Well now. That didn't take long at all.

Don't be silly. Had you read on, you'd have seen that the real 'terrorists'
in this case were the engineers, whose WMD were nothing less, nor any more
than bad physics.

But that's okay. Now you can read the fancy new revised edition . . .

Subject: The Bridge of San Luis Minneapolis
Date: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:41 AM

When I first saw that bridge in Minneapolis under construction, where it was
going up just a few blocks upstream from the grand old Tenth Avenue Bridge
with its fine old classic concrete contours of open spandrel arches, tried
and true to the test of time as the aqueducts of Rome, I couldn't but stand
there (in my bliss of ignorance) and wonder why on earth they were putting
that new, totally shitty looking bridge in over the river--and right there
of all places.

Well! As of that date, when the bridge was nearing completion in 1967, the
I-35W expressway that it was being built to serve, had not itself as yet
come anywhere near to that site. The freeway still remained to be bulldozed
through the whole breadth of a then as yet sedate and really quite
pleasingly laid-out downtown Minneapolis cityscape, so richly adorned as it
then was by its La Belle Epoche art nouveau architectures of . . . Ah! I
remember it so fondly with those stately old boulevards planted with elms
and flowers, statuary and benches where two major thoroughfares came flowing
together past Mount Curve, round all the magnificent old cathedrals, the
Tyrone Guthrie theatre, the Walker Art Center and Loring Park.

No! I hadn't the foggiest idea of what the future held in store via the
agendae of those city planners, so far as a huge, rumbling, crushing,
crumbling invasion of I-35W to come smashing its way through it all, so I
couldn't for the life of me imagine why anything so ugly as that horrid
green bridge . . .

http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/bridges/pages/ms16.html

. . . should even so much as be there to stand in such tasteless redundancy
to something so elegantly monumental as this . . .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Minneapolis-Panorama-2006-10-20.jpg


It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly what
went wrong in the design of that atrocious looking too big for its britches,
nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as you
look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist (of which there have been a
few around the old town of late) with a mind to take that new bridge down,
simply ask yourself what a few small well-placed charges would do as your
eye catches sight of those four puny points, all that are holding it aloft.
See for yourselves where the cantilevered steel trusses come down to make
contact with those shockingly spindly looking piers, for the God's sake.

As a quick visit to http://tinyurl.com/34r5uy will show, you may observe
that while, "A spandrel-braced arch or open spandrel deck arch carries the
deck on top of the arch . . . some metal bridges which appear to be (the)
open spandrel deck arch are, in fact, cantilever; these rely on diagonal
bracing. A true arch bridge relies on vertical members to transmit the load
which is carried by the arch."

Can there be any replacement for the true arch? I am no civil engineer, nor
any kind of architect, but something of pure intuition is telling me there
must be some quite possibly as yet unfathomed strength of support that comes
by a mystery of Cartesian magic in the geometry of the unbroken contour of a
curve. Some kind of grand leverage going on there toward a purpose of
uplifting things and holding them up, even over the centuries. Just seems
there's something in the fact that the Coliseum is still standing that
serves a fair amount of support toward that conclusion.

The false arch of cantilevered steel construction that was thought to be
very 'state of the art' for I-35W clearly has not proven to be quite the
smart, fresh, with-it idea as its schemers had thought, seeing how it could
not even so much as begin to stand up to "the bridge considered the crowning
achievement of Minneapolis city engineer Kristoffer Olsen Oustad" as built
between the years of 1926 to 1929 to stand the test of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Avenue_Bridge_(Minneapolis)

And you have all seen it in the newsfilm, Oustad's bridge, the 10th Avenue
Bridge, the "Cedar Avenue" bridge, it's all the same one, standing there
yet, strong and serviceable as ever beside the wreckage of the fancy "new"
idea.

When I stood there that day on my way home from campus looking out over the
river to see the way the builders of that new bridge had seen fit in their
hubris to design their construction as to seemingly dwarf (in mere terms of
height and breadth) the appearance of the old solution, I was not impressed.

No. I was just not impressed.

I am still not impressed.
--
Mackie
http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://doo-dads.blogspot.com/
http://www.mackiemesser.zoomshare.com/0.html
http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/



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Posted by Don Stockbauer on August 2, 2007, 4:58 am
>
>
> > [...]
>
> >> It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly
> >> what
> >> went wrong in the design of that horrid looking too big for its britches,
> >> nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as
> >> you
> >> look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist [...]
>
> > Well now. That didn't take long at all.
>
> Don't be silly. Had you read on, you'd have seen that the real 'terrorists'
> in this case were the engineers, whose WMD were nothing less, nor any more
> than bad physics.
>
> But that's okay. Now you can read the fancy new revised edition . . .
>
> Subject: The Bridge of San Luis Minneapolis
> Date: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:41 AM
>
> When I first saw that bridge in Minneapolis under construction, where it was
> going up just a few blocks upstream from the grand old Tenth Avenue Bridge
> with its fine old classic concrete contours of open spandrel arches, tried
> and true to the test of time as the aqueducts of Rome, I couldn't but stand
> there (in my bliss of ignorance) and wonder why on earth they were putting
> that new, totally shitty looking bridge in over the river--and right there
> of all places.
>
> Well! As of that date, when the bridge was nearing completion in 1967, the
> I-35W expressway that it was being built to serve, had not itself as yet
> come anywhere near to that site. The freeway still remained to be bulldozed
> through the whole breadth of a then as yet sedate and really quite
> pleasingly laid-out downtown Minneapolis cityscape, so richly adorned as it
> then was by its La Belle Epoche art nouveau architectures of . . . Ah! I
> remember it so fondly with those stately old boulevards planted with elms
> and flowers, statuary and benches where two major thoroughfares came flowing
> together past Mount Curve, round all the magnificent old cathedrals, the
> Tyrone Guthrie theatre, the Walker Art Center and Loring Park.
>
> No! I hadn't the foggiest idea of what the future held in store via the
> agendae of those city planners, so far as a huge, rumbling, crushing,
> crumbling invasion of I-35W to come smashing its way through it all, so I
> couldn't for the life of me imagine why anything so ugly as that horrid
> green bridge . . .
>
> http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/bridges/pages/ms16.html
>
> . . . should even so much as be there to stand in such tasteless redundancy
> to something so elegantly monumental as this . . .
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Minneapolis-Panora...
>
> It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly what
> went wrong in the design of that atrocious looking too big for its britches,
> nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as you
> look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist (of which there have been a
> few around the old town of late) with a mind to take that new bridge down,
> simply ask yourself what a few small well-placed charges would do as your
> eye catches sight of those four puny points, all that are holding it aloft.
> See for yourselves where the cantilevered steel trusses come down to make
> contact with those shockingly spindly looking piers, for the God's sake.
>
> As a quick visit tohttp://tinyurl.com/34r5uywill show, you may observe
> that while, "A spandrel-braced arch or open spandrel deck arch carries the
> deck on top of the arch . . . some metal bridges which appear to be (the)
> open spandrel deck arch are, in fact, cantilever; these rely on diagonal
> bracing. A true arch bridge relies on vertical members to transmit the load
> which is carried by the arch."
>
> Can there be any replacement for the true arch? I am no civil engineer, nor
> any kind of architect, but something of pure intuition is telling me there
> must be some quite possibly as yet unfathomed strength of support that comes
> by a mystery of Cartesian magic in the geometry of the unbroken contour of a
> curve. Some kind of grand leverage going on there toward a purpose of
> uplifting things and holding them up, even over the centuries. Just seems
> there's something in the fact that the Coliseum is still standing that
> serves a fair amount of support toward that conclusion.
>
> The false arch of cantilevered steel construction that was thought to be
> very 'state of the art' for I-35W clearly has not proven to be quite the
> smart, fresh, with-it idea as its schemers had thought, seeing how it could
> not even so much as begin to stand up to "the bridge considered the crowning
> achievement of Minneapolis city engineer Kristoffer Olsen Oustad" as built
> between the years of 1926 to 1929 to stand the test of time.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Avenue_Bridge_(Minneapolis)
>
> And you have all seen it in the newsfilm, Oustad's bridge, the 10th Avenue
> Bridge, the "Cedar Avenue" bridge, it's all the same one, standing there
> yet, strong and serviceable as ever beside the wreckage of the fancy "new"
> idea.
>
> When I stood there that day on my way home from campus looking out over the
> river to see the way the builders of that new bridge had seen fit in their
> hubris to design their construction as to seemingly dwarf (in mere terms of
> height and breadth) the appearance of the old solution, I was not impressed.
>
> No. I was just not impressed.
>
> I am still not impressed.
> --
>
Mackiehttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://doo-dads.blogspot.com/http://www.mackiemesser.zoomshare.com/0.htmlhttp://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/
>
> --
>
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It's my understanding that jets flew into this bridge.


Posted by The_Man on August 2, 2007, 3:09 pm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > [...]
>
> > >> It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly
> > >> what
> > >> went wrong in the design of that horrid looking too big for its britches,
> > >> nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as
> > >> you
> > >> look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist [...]
>
> > > Well now. That didn't take long at all.
>
> > Don't be silly. Had you read on, you'd have seen that the real 'terrorists'
> > in this case were the engineers, whose WMD were nothing less, nor any more
> > than bad physics.
>
> > But that's okay. Now you can read the fancy new revised edition . . .
>
> > Subject: The Bridge of San Luis Minneapolis
> > Date: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:41 AM
>
> > When I first saw that bridge in Minneapolis under construction, where it was
> > going up just a few blocks upstream from the grand old Tenth Avenue Bridge
> > with its fine old classic concrete contours of open spandrel arches, tried
> > and true to the test of time as the aqueducts of Rome, I couldn't but stand
> > there (in my bliss of ignorance) and wonder why on earth they were putting
> > that new, totally shitty looking bridge in over the river--and right there
> > of all places.
>
> > Well! As of that date, when the bridge was nearing completion in 1967, the
> > I-35W expressway that it was being built to serve, had not itself as yet
> > come anywhere near to that site. The freeway still remained to be bulldozed
> > through the whole breadth of a then as yet sedate and really quite
> > pleasingly laid-out downtown Minneapolis cityscape, so richly adorned as it
> > then was by its La Belle Epoche art nouveau architectures of . . . Ah! I
> > remember it so fondly with those stately old boulevards planted with elms
> > and flowers, statuary and benches where two major thoroughfares came flowing
> > together past Mount Curve, round all the magnificent old cathedrals, the
> > Tyrone Guthrie theatre, the Walker Art Center and Loring Park.
>
> > No! I hadn't the foggiest idea of what the future held in store via the
> > agendae of those city planners, so far as a huge, rumbling, crushing,
> > crumbling invasion of I-35W to come smashing its way through it all, so I
> > couldn't for the life of me imagine why anything so ugly as that horrid
> > green bridge . . .
>
> >http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/bridges/pages/ms16.html
>
> > . . . should even so much as be there to stand in such tasteless redundancy
> > to something so elegantly monumental as this . . .
>
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Minneapolis-Panora...
>
> > It doesn't take long to discover through a few quick searches exactly what
> > went wrong in the design of that atrocious looking too big for its britches,
> > nasty green bridge. Or just skip the searches and trust to your eyes as you
> > look at the photos. Now, if you were a terrorist (of which there have been a
> > few around the old town of late) with a mind to take that new bridge down,
> > simply ask yourself what a few small well-placed charges would do as your
> > eye catches sight of those four puny points, all that are holding it aloft.
> > See for yourselves where the cantilevered steel trusses come down to make
> > contact with those shockingly spindly looking piers, for the God's sake.
>
> > As a quick visit tohttp://tinyurl.com/34r5uywillshow, you may observe
> > that while, "A spandrel-braced arch or open spandrel deck arch carries the
> > deck on top of the arch . . . some metal bridges which appear to be (the)
> > open spandrel deck arch are, in fact, cantilever; these rely on diagonal
> > bracing. A true arch bridge relies on vertical members to transmit the load
> > which is carried by the arch."
>
> > Can there be any replacement for the true arch? I am no civil engineer, nor
> > any kind of architect, but something of pure intuition is telling me there
> > must be some quite possibly as yet unfathomed strength of support that comes
> > by a mystery of Cartesian magic in the geometry of the unbroken contour of a
> > curve. Some kind of grand leverage going on there toward a purpose of
> > uplifting things and holding them up, even over the centuries. Just seems
> > there's something in the fact that the Coliseum is still standing that
> > serves a fair amount of support toward that conclusion.
>
> > The false arch of cantilevered steel construction that was thought to be
> > very 'state of the art' for I-35W clearly has not proven to be quite the
> > smart, fresh, with-it idea as its schemers had thought, seeing how it could
> > not even so much as begin to stand up to "the bridge considered the crowning
> > achievement of Minneapolis city engineer Kristoffer Olsen Oustad" as built
> > between the years of 1926 to 1929 to stand the test of time.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Avenue_Bridge_(Minneapolis)
>
> > And you have all seen it in the newsfilm, Oustad's bridge, the 10th Avenue
> > Bridge, the "Cedar Avenue" bridge, it's all the same one, standing there
> > yet, strong and serviceable as ever beside the wreckage of the fancy "new"
> > idea.
>
> > When I stood there that day on my way home from campus looking out over the
> > river to see the way the builders of that new bridge had seen fit in their
> > hubris to design their construction as to seemingly dwarf (in mere terms of
> > height and breadth) the appearance of the old solution, I was not impressed.
>
> > No. I was just not impressed.
>
> > I am still not impressed.
> > --
> >
Mackiehttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://doo-dads.blogspot.com/http://www....
>
> > --
>
> > .............................................................
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>
> It's my understanding that jets flew into this bridge.

No. That is what they WANT you to believe, to get you riled up so your
will "murder" the "peaceful" "freedom fighters".

Actually, the bridge could NOT have collapsed on its own (cite some
lunatic right - or left-wing general). NO BRIDGE has EVEr collapsed on
its own in just 5 seconds. For a bridge to come down that fast, it HAD
TO HAVE BEEN an inside job.

Witnesses saw people near the bridge removing unexploded charges. It
was a CONSPIRACY I tell you! A CONSPIRACY!!!!!

(Did I get the right note of hysteria and lunacy?)



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