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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 10, 2007, 1:24 pm
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>> >> You're just not hearing from those with positive things to say about
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>> >> IDs, like me. I'm not answering any questionnaires, though.
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>> > That's why I posted here. Why not speak up?
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>> not interested.
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> Then why did you post? You posted to say I'm not hearing positive
> things from people?
yes, and not to extrapolate
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Posted by 3D Peruna on July 9, 2007, 9:44 am
BeeRich wrote:
>> BeeRich wrote:
>>> Hi folks. I thought this should be the place to ask this.
>>> Just wondering about the business of Interior Designers.
>> Inferior Desecrators are pretty much useless, except for some furniture
>> discounts.
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>> OR... if you have a particularly difficult female owner, an inferior
>> desecrator can keep them occupied forever. Just be sure you get +10% of
>> their total fee (including the furniture).
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> Sorry if I'm missing something, why the collective negativity behind
> these people? Granted, they are not architects, but the
> responsibilities are completely different. I wouldn't expect a
> designer to go near what an architect is responsible for. Heck I know
> some engineers that have completely messed up in my past businesses.
MOST of the ones I've worked with are all "architect" wanna-be's. The
very idea that "architecture" needs "decoration" is the root of the
problem. Almost all of them are slaves to fads. It's all "applied"
decoration, with little understanding of the space itself.
The point you seemed to have missed, is that they're not about
"improving" the structure, but rather selling as much stuff as possible.
Paints, wall coverings, floor coverings, furniture, accessories, etc.
Whatever they can possibly do to get them to buy more.
But the worst of it all, is that with rare exception, the ID thinks they
can design better than I can and we end up in a tug-of-war with the
client. The ID wants to be the architect, too.
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Posted by BeeRich on July 10, 2007, 4:04 am
> MOST of the ones I've worked with are all "architect" wanna-be's. The
> very idea that "architecture" needs "decoration" is the root of the
> problem. Almost all of them are slaves to fads. It's all "applied"
> decoration, with little understanding of the space itself.
Sure, I could see that. So they are envious of architects. I just
thought the two roles are completely different. Architects design the
building, and IDs put stuff in the buildings...more or less. So
buildings should be left spartan? I wouldn't look to an architect to
show me which couch to buy. Yet I need one for my place.
Not trying to get into anybody's face here, I just don't understand
why the animosity or if it's just plain disrespect. The latter I
could see.
> The point you seemed to have missed, is that they're not about
> "improving" the structure, but rather selling as much stuff as possible.
> Paints, wall coverings, floor coverings, furniture, accessories, etc.
> Whatever they can possibly do to get them to buy more.
What did you expect?
> But the worst of it all, is that with rare exception, the ID thinks they
> can design better than I can and we end up in a tug-of-war with the
> client. The ID wants to be the architect, too.
Arrogance is everywhere. I spent 10 years in the brewing industry,
consulted in 3 continents, have an excellent background. Try taking a
lecture from a waiter on beer. They think because they take a glass
of the stuff to "Table 8" with a ketchup bottle, they are "in the
know".
Anyway thanks for your input.
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Posted by 3D Peruna on July 10, 2007, 1:51 pm
Pat pretty much nailed it. And yes, there is a minor difference between
interior designers and interior decorators. Interior designers usually
have actually been to school for it. Interior decorators are people who
were told they had such great taste they should tell other people what
to do.
Frank Lloyd Wright designed as much as he could for his clients (even
the clothing for one client's wife). Sure, I'd love to be the one that
picks everything out. Often I do have great influence over the paint
colors, lighting fixtures and other finishes. But nobody wants to pay
me to pick out furniture (but they'll pay somebody else with similar
fees?). In commercial projects, we often get to pick out furnishings,
too. There's nothing in our training that prevents us from being able
to do this. An Interior Designer is usually an "architect lite". And
when they work against what we've done, rather than work with what we've
done, then there are problems. I've rarely had the latter
experience...it's almost always been the former. And if it's an
interior decorator, then we always have problems...
Most architects can be (and usually are) very good "interior designers",
as they've designed the interior space to begin with. In my world view,
an interior designer is redundant.
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Posted by RicodJour on July 10, 2007, 2:53 pm
> Pat pretty much nailed it. And yes, there is a minor difference between
> interior designers and interior decorators. Interior designers usually
> have actually been to school for it. Interior decorators are people who
> were told they had such great taste they should tell other people what
> to do.
>
> Frank Lloyd Wright designed as much as he could for his clients (even
> the clothing for one client's wife). Sure, I'd love to be the one that
> picks everything out.
Yeah, FLW picked out everything - he even picked out client's wives
for himself and probably did the "fittings" for that dress repeatedly.
FLW nailed it more than Pat did. ;)
R
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