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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 17, 2007, 6:12 pm
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>> MOST of the ones I've worked with are all "architect" wanna-be's. The
>> very idea that "architecture" needs "decoration" is the root of the
>> problem. Almost all of them are slaves to fads. It's all "applied"
>> decoration, with little understanding of the space itself.
>
> Sure, I could see that. So they are envious of architects. I just
> thought the two roles are completely different. Architects design the
> building, and IDs put stuff in the buildings...more or less. So
> buildings should be left spartan? I wouldn't look to an architect to
> show me which couch to buy. Yet I need one for my place.
>
> Not trying to get into anybody's face here, I just don't understand
> why the animosity or if it's just plain disrespect. The latter I
> could see.
Disrespect? If it's that, IMO, it's only because to many people develop
a huge honking pompous egotism just because they decide to schelp the
word "designer" into their job title.
You see the same thing in any field where someone can do that. Look at
some of th enighmares that get called "graphic design" - some people get
extremely high-hende dabout their "dsesign", even when thit looks like
something that a feverish child threw together while sleepwalking.
As in all fields, the people who are the most pompous (and/or
judgemental) are, 99.9999% of the time, the *least* qualified to be so.
>
>> The point you seemed to have missed, is that they're not about
>> "improving" the structure, but rather selling as much stuff as
possible.
>> Paints, wall coverings, floor coverings, furniture, accessories,
etc.
>> Whatever they can possibly do to get them to buy more.
>
> What did you expect?
Expect...?
Hey, someone who is truely interested in producing good design will use
the client's existing posessions, assuming those possessions were
obtained for a decent reason (aesthetic appeal, expresion of spme aspect
of the person's personality, things that have memories attached to them,
i.e. sentimental value, etc.).
That is completely different from just hawking as much crap as possible.
If I hired a Designer, I would *expect* someone who would take my
personal preferences, my personality, my lifestyle, my needs, and so on,
into account. If what I got was some cheap sales clerk, I'd dump the bum
and keep looking...
What other peopel expect, I've no idea. The average dood/doodette is a
mystery to me - and I don't think I could drink enough to be able to
figure 'em out...
>
>> But the worst of it all, is that with rare exception, the ID thinks
they
>> can design better than I can and we end up in a tug-of-war with the
>> client. The ID wants to be the architect, too.
>
> Arrogance is everywhere.
As above:
In all fields, the people who are the most pompous (and/or judgemental)
are, 99.9999% of the time, the *least* qualified to be so...
I spent 10 years in the brewing industry,
> consulted in 3 continents, have an excellent background. Try taking a
> lecture from a waiter on beer. They think because they take a glass
> of the stuff to "Table 8" with a ketchup bottle, they are "in the
> know".
>
> Anyway thanks for your input.
>
>
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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 17, 2007, 5:56 pm
> BeeRich wrote:
>>> BeeRich wrote:
>>>> Hi folks. I thought this should be the place to ask this.
>>>> Just wondering about the business of Interior Designers.
>>> Inferior Desecrators are pretty much useless, except for some
>>> furniture discounts.
>>>
>>> OR... if you have a particularly difficult female owner, an inferior
>>> desecrator can keep them occupied forever. Just be sure you get
>>> +10% of their total fee (including the furniture).
>>
>> Sorry if I'm missing something, why the collective negativity behind
>> these people? Granted, they are not architects, but the
>> responsibilities are completely different. I wouldn't expect a
>> designer to go near what an architect is responsible for. Heck I
>> know some engineers that have completely messed up in my past
>> businesses.
>
> MOST of the ones I've worked with are all "architect" wanna-be's. The
> very idea that "architecture" needs "decoration" is the root of the
> problem. Almost all of them are slaves to fads. It's all "applied"
> decoration, with little understanding of the space itself.
What I dislike is that it's all just superficial decoration, by which I
mean, it's not about getting things because you like them enough to have
them as permanent parts of your environment - it's all about what's "in".
I get things I like, and then I keep them. I mean, otherwise, why bother
getting them in the first place? Why pay for original art if it doesn't
resonate with you?
I have some things that IDs would prob call "tacky" or "outdated", but I
have them because I like them, and/or they were gifts from people I care
about, and/or they commemorate some even or hold memories for me. I
don';t give a hang whether they're "fashionable".
OTOH, since I do get thigns I like, they all end up sharing certain
qualities, due to the very fact that they appeal to me, "speak" to me.
SO IMO, they all "live" together comfortably enough.
>
> The point you seemed to have missed, is that they're not about
> "improving" the structure, but rather selling as much stuff as
> possible.
> Paints, wall coverings, floor coverings, furniture, accessories,
> etc. Whatever they can possibly do to get them to buy more.
And replacing everything - *everything* - periodically. It' snot about
havin gkeepsakes, or things that you treasure - it's just about being
"fashionable". Which IMO is depressing - if things have no meaning, IMO
it just shows that the person's *life* if rather empty, hollow, a pretty
shell that is hollow (and probably not even a shell, but only paper
mache').
I suppose that, in a way, it's very symbolic, very representative of th
ereality of a lot of people's lives: empty shells that are supposed to
impress, but have little real meaning, no message, no substance or
solidity.
>
> But the worst of it all, is that with rare exception, the ID thinks
> they can design better than I can and we end up in a tug-of-war with
> the client. The ID wants to be the architect, too.
>
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Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1or_Popcorn on July 9, 2007, 3:05 pm
3D Peruna wrote:
> BeeRich wrote:
>> Hi folks. I thought this should be the place to ask this.
>>
>> Just wondering about the business of Interior Designers.
>
> Inferior Desecrators are pretty much useless, except for some furniture
> discounts.
>
> OR... if you have a particularly difficult female owner, an inferior
> desecrator can keep them occupied forever. Just be sure you get +10% of
> their total fee (including the furniture).
>
"Although the terms interior decorating and interior design are
sometimes used interchangeably, each discipline exhibit a distinct
difference in its scope. Interior decorating is generally focused on the
selection and presentation of interior items within a space, such as
furniture, accessories, finishes and room layout. Interior design, on
the other hand, involves manipulating the architectural integrity of the
interior space."
--Wikipedia.org
Often, architects and interior designers are one and the same.
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Posted by ++ on July 9, 2007, 4:42 pm
Se=F1or Popcorn-Coconut wrote:
> 3D Peruna wrote:
>
>> BeeRich wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks. I thought this should be the place to ask this.
>>>
>>> Just wondering about the business of Interior Designers.
>>
>>
>> Inferior Desecrators are pretty much useless, except for some=20
>> furniture discounts.
>>
>> OR... if you have a particularly difficult female owner, an inferior=20
>> desecrator can keep them occupied forever. Just be sure you get +10% =
>> of their total fee (including the furniture).
>>
>
> "Although the terms interior decorating and interior design are=20
> sometimes used interchangeably, each discipline exhibit a distinct=20
> difference in its scope. Interior decorating is generally focused on=20
> the selection and presentation of interior items within a space, such=20
> as furniture, accessories, finishes and room layout. Interior design,=20
> on the other hand, involves manipulating the architectural integrity=20
> of the interior space."
> --Wikipedia.org
>
> Often, architects and interior designers are one and the same.
Unfortunately, sometimes when there are structural elements involved in=20
the ID, the IDs don't necessarily consult an architect although their=20
liability insurance is way lower because of the fewer liability issues.
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Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1or_Popcorn on July 10, 2007, 3:16 pm
++ wrote:
> Seņor Popcorn-Coconut wrote:
>
>> 3D Peruna wrote:
>>
>>> BeeRich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks. I thought this should be the place to ask this.
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering about the business of Interior Designers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Inferior Desecrators are pretty much useless, except for some
>>> furniture discounts.
>>>
>>> OR... if you have a particularly difficult female owner, an inferior
>>> desecrator can keep them occupied forever. Just be sure you get +10%
>>> of their total fee (including the furniture).
>>>
>>
>> "Although the terms interior decorating and interior design are
>> sometimes used interchangeably, each discipline exhibit a distinct
>> difference in its scope. Interior decorating is generally focused on
>> the selection and presentation of interior items within a space, such
>> as furniture, accessories, finishes and room layout. Interior design,
>> on the other hand, involves manipulating the architectural integrity
>> of the interior space."
>> --Wikipedia.org
>>
>> Often, architects and interior designers are one and the same.
>
> Unfortunately, sometimes when there are structural elements involved in
> the ID, the IDs don't necessarily consult an architect although their
> liability insurance is way lower because of the fewer liability issues.
Fair enough.
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