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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 20, 2008, 9:28 am
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> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
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>>>Jude Alexander wrote:
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>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
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>>>>Thanks for the link. Seems logical that there were lesser refined
>>>>buildings (as these buildings are fairly refined) before people starting
>>>>improving on their skills.
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>>>Or that buildings being in done in quite different materials were being
>>>replicated in stone. One example of this is the so-called Hellenistic
>>>carvings of furniture and architectural elements like beams in the caves
>>>of Bamiyan (probably blown up along with the Buddhas under the Taliban)
>>>and similar elements in "Desert Cathay". They were simply, in the first
>>>millenium BC, a way of expressing quite another kind of home to the
>>>cave's somewhat sophisticated inhabitants
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>>Probably so, but I think the point is that if they could do this in
>>*ninth* millenium BC, it probably points to an even earlier mastery of
>>acrhitectural technology, and even this site is pushing backwards the
>>assumed date and circumstances when this technology was developed.
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> That was also my obvious point as well, in support of your statement. If
> someone is making a fake beam look like an hellenistically carved beam
> that would normally be in a wooden house, then that person has seen and
> possibly even constructed the wooden house before moving into Mr. cave.
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>>The fact that people were doing amazing buildings so far back is one
>>thing, but I really find it much more curious that this site was
>>*intentionaly buried*. I'm not sure of the date of covering, but even if
>>animals were domesticated by then, it must have been a huge undertaking,
>>and of great significance. Any bored fool can destroy stuff, but to *bury*
>>it intact must have had meaning that we can only guess at for now.
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> When you go in the caves in the volcanic area of Cappadocia in Turkey,
> itentionally buring prevoius parts are a ay of shoring up the tufa.Some of
> the Hittite chambers are incredibly far underground but stairways and etc.
> could undermine chambers built higher with airways.
Maybe, but this is a freestanding mound above the area's datum. They piled
earth up and over exostong buildings.
>>Anyway, I'm glad Klaus Schmidt didn't quit school at twelve, and I hope he
>>pieces the whole story together. My habitual structural engineer is a Turk
>>( ..and my kid's best friend is an Shqiptar!
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> Albanian. Considered pejorative term by anyone other than.
Like the "N word"? I thought it was the "Albanian" word for an ethnic
"Albanian."
Wiki says the word is actually, "Shqiptarėt", so Shqiptar is probably a Serb
derivative.
>>) and he says that Asia Minor is so littered with ancient sites that they
>>themselves barely knew anything about it when he was coming up in school.
>>He just came back from a business trip to Istanbul and says they're
>>building, with permits, a Four Seasons hotel on a known Roman site in the
>>city. You wonder how much of this stuff will get dozed in the name of
>>progress before they realize what that word means after you all have
>>dishwashers and cars and iPods.
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> A lot is underground. Cisterns and such. Probably Four Seasons in near
> there and the underground is so vast that it is almost impossible to
> avoid. What is worse in archeology and architetural history is literally
> rasing areas. An incredible lot of Byzantine architecture was rased to
> present a "pristine" Acropolis in Athens I was literally shocked at some
> of the site drawings and photos associated with the archaeology done
> there.
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