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Thought there may be those who would like a walk thru Jude Alexander 05-12-2008
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Posted by EDS on May 14, 2008, 6:47 pm


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>>>>> http://vodpod.com/watch/3249-falling-water-hl2?pod=architecture
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>>>> Very cool ;)
>>>>
>>>> ((I've hard all the pros and cons but I still think it's beautiful,
>>>> albeit a bit darker inside than I typically prefer ;) ))
>>>
>>> The exterior is grand and inspiring. The interior, unfortunately,
>>> shows Wright's tendency to allow the interior to suffer for the sake
>>> of the exterior. I don't like that approach in architecture or in
>>> life on any level.
>>
>> Actually, he paid quite a lot of attention to the interiors. It's jsut
>> that interiors are even more a mater of taste than are exteriors and
>> structrual elements. Fpr example, his dining room chairs do go with the
>> houses overall, but also tend to be very straight-backed, which is
>> something i find to be gawdawful uncomfortable.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, have you ever notice that about 30% of the compound is hardly
>>> ever shown. It is the "rear" (side opposite the water) and I suppose
>>> it's the garage and other spaces.
>>
>> Prob. becasue the vast majority of poeple have Zero interest in seeing
>> utility areas. Personally, I like to see them because IMO, if one i
>> spayin gfor a custom house, there is no reason whatsoever why a "utility
>> area" can't fit in with th erest of the structure/aesthetic. Esp. given
>> how often one 2will end up using (IOW< being in) those areas - IMO, ti's
>> goofy to ignore them. But again, the vast majority of people don't give
>> these areas any thought, so I'd venture to guess that is why they're
>> never shown.
>>
>>> The walk from this building is
>>> unbelievably long.
>>
>> It's called "dramatic build-up". Also, the setting is very park-like, so
>> I figure that one is also supposed to enjoy the surroundings while
>> approaching the house.
>
> Nothing like a full speed sprint with 2 bags of groceries in an horrendous
> downpour to get your juices flowin'........
>
> I think Judes point was that its very seldom you see a view of Falling
> Water that is NOT of the falling water.
> This is the first time I've seen the long walk from the driveway to the
> house on that sweeping sidewalk.
>
When I saw it I was driving back with my boss (also a friend) from a job in
West Virginia to Pittsburg. We took the tour and then asked to see the rear
of the house. Because we were architects, they let us. The kitchen was large
and blah. The owner's wife would not let FLLW do the kitchen, so it had
standard St. Charles metal cabinets, I think red Formica counters, and was
light yellow. That's why they don't show it, because it is bad 1940's!
Regarding his furniture, Wright once said that he had a bad back because he
had to sit in his own furniture.
EDS



Posted by gruhn on June 2, 2008, 3:05 pm
> Actually, he paid quite a lot of attention to the interiors

The man was all about the interior.

> > Beautiful, for sure but behind the exterior beauty is a LOAD of bad
> > design.

"they don't show the back"

"I've heard it leaks"

(")The interior suffers from attention paid to the exterior(")

I have yet to see him actually point out any single item of this "LOAD
of bad design."

Posted by gruhn on June 2, 2008, 3:14 pm
> Nothing like a full speed sprint with 2 bags of groceries in an horrendous
> downpour to get your juices flowin'........

Which is probably why FrankL provided a very short covered journey
from car to entry.

> I think Judes point was that its very seldom you see a view of Falling Water
> that is NOT of the falling water.

You very seldom see a full tour of anything. Hell, even your semester
final presentation on three boards had to edit.

"What is the big idea behind this design? What is the critical piece
of interest?"

And they say Americans are growing up so "media savvy." pshaw.

It's Fallingwater. You've got one shot to present the outside and if
you are lucky one shot to present the inside. Are you going to say
"and here's the outside of the back wall which FLW used to anchor the
focus towards the other side of the building"? "this is the sink"?

The next question is "if the back wall is used to focus away from
itself why didn't you show what the focus is?" This is 101 stuff
people.

Quick, without looking it up, where is Philip Johnson's guest house
located in relation to the main Glass House? Had you ever bothered to
care? To ask? Of course not. Big Idea.

Posted by Kris Krieger on June 2, 2008, 5:55 pm

>> Nothing like a full speed sprint with 2 bags of groceries in an
>> horrendous downpour to get your juices flowin'........
>
> Which is probably why FrankL provided a very short covered journey
> from car to entry.
>
>> I think Judes point was that its very seldom you see a view of
>> Falling Water that is NOT of the falling water.
>
> You very seldom see a full tour of anything. Hell, even your semester
> final presentation on three boards had to edit.
>
> "What is the big idea behind this design? What is the critical piece
> of interest?"
>
> And they say Americans are growing up so "media savvy." pshaw.

Media inundated. DIfferent from "savvy". From the French (IIRC) for "to
know", "savvy" implies some level of comprehension of what it is that one
is seeing.


>
> It's Fallingwater. You've got one shot to present the outside and if
> you are lucky one shot to present the inside. Are you going to say
> "and here's the outside of the back wall which FLW used to anchor the
> focus towards the other side of the building"? "this is the sink"?
>
> The next question is "if the back wall is used to focus away from
> itself why didn't you show what the focus is?" This is 101 stuff
> people.
>
> Quick, without looking it up, where is Philip Johnson's guest house
> located in relation to the main Glass House? Had you ever bothered to
> care? To ask? Of course not. Big Idea.
>

Ah, but it's so much easier to criticise someone else's Big Idea, than it
is to come up with an original one, esp. an original one tha twill make
enough of an impact upon enough poeple so as to make on famous and rich.

<Following said with tongue in cheek ;) >
"Sour grapes", phrase derived from one of Aesop's Tales (from, what, 3000
yrs ago?): if you can't achieve a goal, rahte than continuing to try
and/or admitting one's own shortcomings, it's so very much easier to
instead assuage one's ego by convincing oneself that the goal is tainted,
and/or anyone else who achieve the goal was just an inept boob.



Posted by gruhn on June 2, 2008, 9:10 pm
> > And they say Americans are growing up so "media savvy." pshaw.

> Media inundated. =A0DIfferent from "savvy". =A0From the French (IIRC) for =
"to
> know", "savvy" implies some level of comprehension of what it is that one

No, I meant what I said.

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