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Tigons and Ligers and Bears, Oh my! Michael Bulatovich 07-18-2007
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Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1or_Popcorn on July 22, 2007, 6:01 pm
Don wrote:
>>> "Edgar"> wrote
>>>> As an aside, I heard another story about some idiotic couple who took a
>>>> kitten and tied him onto a set of railroad tracks, such that it would be
>>>> split in two when the train came buy. Someone saw them do it, and
>>>> attempted to confront them about it, and the couple came back with a
>>>> shotgun and the guy just backed off. The guy saved the kitten, but that
>>>> really truly hurt me inside to hear something like that, the mind
>>>> boggles how someone could do such a thing. It is impossible for me to
>>>> imagine a world where I would just say, "oh well, they can do what they
>>>> like with it".
>>> Animal abuse incidents rip me sideways, I can't stand it.
>>>
>> What the fuck is wrong with people...
>>
>> http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/13708685/detail.html?rss=dgo&psp=news
>
> Here's how I would address that problem.

You? All alone?

> First, those girls would be put under supervised work until the bills were
> paid.
> Fuck school, they have to work.
> Then a poster would be made about this incident and displayed in every
> single school in the country to serve as a constant reminder to other kids
> what will happen to them if they get caught injuring animals.
> At age 18 the girls would be determined whether they could ever possess an
> animal for the rest of their lives.
> I hate this shit.........
>
>

Posted by RicodJour on July 20, 2007, 9:24 am
wrote:
>
> > Here's what I call freedom Edgar.
> > The right to tread anywhere on this planet that I choose and harm no one
> > in the process.
> > Now you can read responsibility in there anywhere you want, but its
> > completely irrelevent.
>
> So you wouldn't mind me walking on your property as long as I don't harm you
> then right?

Would you have an electric meter reader? ;)

R


Posted by Kris Krieger on July 19, 2007, 4:52 pm

>
>> Don wrote:
>>> "Michael Bulatovich"> wrote
>>>> After smoking one too many dubes, Freeman Dyson wrote an article
>>>> by in NYROB: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20370
>>>
>>> From that article:
>>> Rules and regulations will be needed.......
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> There's just no getting away from it, the very thing that stifles
>>> freedom, creativity and advancement.
>>> <sigh>
>>
>> There's just no getting away from some individual and group
>> irresponsibility, recklessness or accidents, etc., that necessitates
>> the very thing that some people say stifles creativity and
>> advancement. <sigh>
>
> And even with all the rules and regulations you will STILL have what
> you described but with the added stifling of freedom, creativity and
> advancement.
>
> And then we come to this dead end in the middle of the street:
>
>> Those who want all the free-for-all creativity they can bluster can
>> take a Virgin Spacecraft and go find their own planets on which
>> experiment to their hearts content.
>
> Nope.
> I, and many, many others will continue to do eaxactly what I (we) want
> to do and everyone else, especially those that squeal about leaving,
> can go straight to hell where everyone else will be exactly like them.
>
> If you don't have the ballz for complete freedom then it is YOU that
> should find a new haven more conducive to the enslavement you prefer.
>


SOme rules and restrictions make sense for the overall safety and well-
being. For example, drivling slowly (25MPH to 30MPH) through
neighborhoods, and highway speed limits that maximize safety. SOrry, but
wanting to get to someplace faster is of far less value than the safety
of the people who live in the neighborhood.

Other rules/restrictions are absurd, because they are petty infringements
upon a majority of people in a vain attempt to protect a few from their
own recklessness and refusal to use even an iota of common sense.

When free people use at elast some fraction of their brains, they can and
do come to agreements regarding what is and is not reasonable. It is not
reasonable to set someone else's house on fire, no matter how much you
might want to see a big bonfire. ANd, since that fire would nto only harm
the victim, but also threaten any neighbors and/or surrounding woodlands
or farmlands, then the community will probably punish the arsonist.

Laws which are good laws are based upon a combination of common sense,
and the recognition that some peopel just don't give a crap about
anything or anyone other than their most idiotic whims.

IOW, ther eis no such thing as "absolute freedom", because any9one who
has any dealings whatsoever with others has to take into consideration
the fact that one person can't jsut up and do whatever the hell s/he
wants to otehrs, and not expect some sort of retribution/punishment when
those actions cause harm and/or loss.





Posted by Kris Krieger on July 20, 2007, 7:34 pm

> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>> SOme rules and restrictions make sense for the overall safety and
>> well- being. For example, drivling slowly (25MPH to 30MPH) through
>> neighborhoods, and highway speed limits that maximize safety. SOrry,
>> but wanting to get to someplace faster is of far less value than the
>> safety of the people who live in the neighborhood.
>
> I can see all kinds of problems with YOU making rules for ME and vice
> versa.

"visa versa"

And Cheezwiz Diced, you're all ready to tell me what you will and will
not tolerate, so really, the shoe fits on both feet.

> Can I put a .5 (that's point five) mph speedlimit sign in your
> driveway?

In my driveway? No, that si private property for petesakes. On the
road? Yes. because I have enough brains to understaqnd the relationship
between vehicel weight, speed, and stopping distance, as well as the
limitations of children's attention. And i'm not enough of an a-hole to
go 50 in a residential zone no matter *what* the speed limit might be or
might not be, because I'm enough of a human being to not place more
importance on some momentary convenience or whim, than I place on the
life of a child, or any other pedestrian, or the property of those people
whose house is on that 90 degree turn in the road.


> There's currently a 25 mph hour sign right down the road
> from me but nobody obeys it and at least 4 times now it has been
> knocked down and I stand it back up.

So what? All that means is that there are a lot of fricking a-holes in
the world. That does not mean that it is either ethical, or desireable,
to BE a fricking a-hole.

> As a result of the speeding that occurs on my road, regardless of the
> sign, I've scooped 9 squirrels off the road and buried them along the
> side. You know how I get people to slow down?
> I throw some dead limbs on the road.
>
> If I was wealthy I'd buy the road and then charge a toll of $5 per
> trip and the drivers would sign a contract stipulating certain things.
>

I've already said, in the past, that I'm not adverse to the concept of
user fees. If you cut a road through your property, and turn it into a
toll road, hey, whatever. I'm not going to bitch - but a hell of a lot
of people would, because, as above, there are a hell of a lot of fricking
a-holes in the world.

THe thing with them is that if it's *their* street, and they're letting
*their* kid play in th eroad, then everyone else is supposed to go slow
and be careful and bend over backwards to avoid th elittle darlings. But
if it's some other road, and someone else's kids, they don't govea s**t.
Again, that does not make it ethical or desireable (or reasonable) to BE
like that - it's just that a lot fo people are.

That is why there are laws - of course, laws are useless if not enforced.
And sadly, nothing will be done (because politicians are people and thus,
by the laws of statistics, many of them are lazy selfish a-holes) until a
couple of kids are hit and killed. That's right, I know human nature, so
I did not say "a kid", I said "a couple"....


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