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Timber or Stick Frames, Exterior Walls and Costs Warm Worm 10-23-2007
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Posted by Warm Worm on October 23, 2007, 2:34 pm
I really like the apparent potential for open spaces and light and the
beauty of the wood and/or seeing the structure-- the posts and beams--
as exposed as possible-- at least from the inside...

That said, I was just wondering what would be cheaper to build; a
timber frame construct with an external load bearing wall (or where
the external wall is exactly in-between the posts), or one where the
post and beams/lintels are inside the home and exposed that way, while
the exterior wall is a simple non-load-bearing shell, a distance out
from the beams.

>From the book 'The House You Build', there was a claim, if I recall,
that it was cheaper and/or easier to build external walls that were
not load-bearing. (Presumably, the timber would benefit from not being
exposed to the elements.)

Also, would stick frames be cheaper than post and beam frames? I
prefer post and beam, based on what I've seen, and have always been a
fan of renovated barns for homes.
SIPS seem a little dubious to me from an aesthetic soulful standpoint
too.

"Although there has been a move away from larger beams (or at least
toward engineered wood) in order to reduce pressure to cut old growth
forests, this conventional wisdom may be less relevant when applied to
FSC certified beams. By buying larger beams, you're encouraging the
woodlot owners to cut some trees on a longer rotation, promoting a
forest that is more ecological robust."
http://www.sensiblehouse.org/tu_construction.shtml


Posted by ++ on October 23, 2007, 2:58 pm
It occurs to me that the load bearing does not have to be the exposed
wood at all, inside or out

Warm Worm wrote:

>I really like the apparent potential for open spaces and light and the
>beauty of the wood and/or seeing the structure-- the posts and beams--
>as exposed as possible-- at least from the inside...
>
>That said, I was just wondering what would be cheaper to build; a
>timber frame construct with an external load bearing wall (or where
>the external wall is exactly in-between the posts), or one where the
>post and beams/lintels are inside the home and exposed that way, while
>the exterior wall is a simple non-load-bearing shell, a distance out
>from the beams.
>
>>From the book 'The House You Build', there was a claim, if I recall,
>that it was cheaper and/or easier to build external walls that were
>not load-bearing. (Presumably, the timber would benefit from not being
>exposed to the elements.)
>
>Also, would stick frames be cheaper than post and beam frames? I
>prefer post and beam, based on what I've seen, and have always been a
>fan of renovated barns for homes.
>SIPS seem a little dubious to me from an aesthetic soulful standpoint
>too.
>
>"Although there has been a move away from larger beams (or at least
>toward engineered wood) in order to reduce pressure to cut old growth
>forests, this conventional wisdom may be less relevant when applied to
>FSC certified beams. By buying larger beams, you're encouraging the
>woodlot owners to cut some trees on a longer rotation, promoting a
>forest that is more ecological robust."
>http://www.sensiblehouse.org/tu_construction.shtml
>
>
>
>


Posted by Warm Worm on October 23, 2007, 3:43 pm

> Warm Worm wrote:
> >I really like the apparent potential for open spaces and light and the
> >beauty of the wood and/or seeing the structure-- the posts and beams--
> >as exposed as possible-- at least from the inside...
>
> >That said, I was just wondering what would be cheaper to build; a
> >timber frame construct with an external load bearing wall (or where
> >the external wall is exactly in-between the posts), or one where the
> >post and beams/lintels are inside the home and exposed that way, while
> >the exterior wall is a simple non-load-bearing shell, a distance out
> >from the beams.
>
> >>From the book 'The House You Build', there was a claim, if I recall,
> >that it was cheaper and/or easier to build external walls that were
> >not load-bearing. (Presumably, the timber would benefit from not being
> >exposed to the elements.)
>
> >Also, would stick frames be cheaper than post and beam frames? I
> >prefer post and beam, based on what I've seen, and have always been a
> >fan of renovated barns for homes.
> >SIPS seem a little dubious to me from an aesthetic soulful standpoint
> >too.
>
> >"Although there has been a move away from larger beams (or at least
> >toward engineered wood) in order to reduce pressure to cut old growth
> >forests, this conventional wisdom may be less relevant when applied to
> >FSC certified beams. By buying larger beams, you're encouraging the
> >woodlot owners to cut some trees on a longer rotation, promoting a
> >forest that is more ecological robust."
> >http://www.sensiblehouse.org/tu_construction.shtml- Hide quoted text -
>
> It occurs to me that the load bearing does not have to be the exposed
> wood at all, inside or out

What are you suggesting?


Posted by ++ on October 23, 2007, 3:46 pm


Warm Worm wrote:

>
>
>>Warm Worm wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I really like the apparent potential for open spaces and light and the
>>>beauty of the wood and/or seeing the structure-- the posts and beams--
>>>as exposed as possible-- at least from the inside...
>>>
>>>
>>>That said, I was just wondering what would be cheaper to build; a
>>>timber frame construct with an external load bearing wall (or where
>>>the external wall is exactly in-between the posts), or one where the
>>>post and beams/lintels are inside the home and exposed that way, while
>>>the exterior wall is a simple non-load-bearing shell, a distance out
>>>
>>>
>>>from the beams.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>From the book 'The House You Build', there was a claim, if I recall,
>>>that it was cheaper and/or easier to build external walls that were
>>>not load-bearing. (Presumably, the timber would benefit from not being
>>>exposed to the elements.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Also, would stick frames be cheaper than post and beam frames? I
>>>prefer post and beam, based on what I've seen, and have always been a
>>>fan of renovated barns for homes.
>>>SIPS seem a little dubious to me from an aesthetic soulful standpoint
>>>too.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Although there has been a move away from larger beams (or at least
>>>toward engineered wood) in order to reduce pressure to cut old growth
>>>forests, this conventional wisdom may be less relevant when applied to
>>>FSC certified beams. By buying larger beams, you're encouraging the
>>>woodlot owners to cut some trees on a longer rotation, promoting a
>>>forest that is more ecological robust."
>>>http://www.sensiblehouse.org/tu_construction.shtml- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>It occurs to me that the load bearing does not have to be the exposed
>>wood at all, inside or out
>>
>>
>
>What are you suggesting?
>
>

steel or concrete, decorative wood

>
>
>


Posted by ++ on October 23, 2007, 3:50 pm


++ wrote:

>>
>
> steel or concrete, decorative wood


or, should I venture, bamboo.....Japanese timber bamboo, perhaps. or
http://www.bamboonursery.com/commercial.htm#lumber

or both:

http://www.romanconcrete.com/docs/bamboo1966/BambooReinforcedConcreteFeb1966.htm

>
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>
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