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Tip O The Day........or week......... Secretia Green 01-27-2008
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Posted by Warm Worm on January 28, 2008, 3:40 pm
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>>> Secretia Green wrote:
>>>>> There is an old saying that seems worth repeating:
>>>>>
>>>>> Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and
>>>>> beat you with experience.
>>>> While I understand what you mean, the danger is that one can run the
>>>> risk of being the subject of derogatory terms by their usage.
>>>> Also, as derogations are used, it obviously affects self-esteem and
>>>> populations as a whole. As we get used to it, we can slip up with our
>>>> own kids, family and friends, etc..
>>>> Compound victimization.
>>>>
>>>> That's in part why we can have the kind of aforementioned workplace
>>>> situations.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, What are you kids doing?
>>>> I'm doing design, knitting, and upgrading my websites.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, I think David Letterman calls his audience members 'kids', for
>>>> example, so I'm cool with it in that context.
>>> Me neither, but I think ++ was upset and felt under attack.
>>>
>>> I always tell my 'kid' that the day you stop feeling offended when
>>> someone calls you 'a kid' is the day you *know* you aren't one anymore.
>>> If someone did use it as an intended insult (which wasn't the case here)
>>> the intent is the potentially harmful thing, the word is impotent because
>>> it's not true.
>> I'm happy to be called a kid. This fall when we were installing a new
>> facade on the Beacon Hill job, a "Boston Brahman" type asked me "Young
>> man, when are you re-opening the ATM?" I thanked her profusely as I am 72
>> :-)
>
> I read in Star Weekly that 72's the new 52 ; )

Then that would make Ed the same age as Don. ;)

My oldest friend's 68 and he says something like that too.

Posted by Kris Krieger on January 28, 2008, 3:43 pm

>
>> Secretia Green wrote:
>>> There is an old saying that seems worth repeating:
>>>
>>> Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level
>>> and beat you with experience.
>>
>> While I understand what you mean, the danger is that one can run the
>> risk of being the subject of derogatory terms by their usage.
>> Also, as derogations are used, it obviously affects self-esteem and
>> populations as a whole. As we get used to it, we can slip up with our
>> own kids, family and friends, etc..
>> Compound victimization.
>>
>> That's in part why we can have the kind of aforementioned workplace
>> situations.
>>
>>> BTW, What are you kids doing?
>>
>> I'm doing design, knitting, and upgrading my websites.
>>
>> BTW, I think David Letterman calls his audience members 'kids', for
>> example, so I'm cool with it in that context.
>
> Me neither, but I think ++ was upset and felt under attack.
>
> I always tell my 'kid' that the day you stop feeling offended when
> someone calls you 'a kid' is the day you *know* you aren't one
> anymore. If someone did use it as an intended insult (which wasn't the
> case here) the intent is the potentially harmful thing, the word is
> impotent because it's not true.
>
>

For some reason, this brought to mind something that happend a number of
years back. I was in a meeting and energetically going into the details
of some project (related, IIRC, to setting up a way to help other
analysts elarn the computer system), when one young woman upped and, is a
"loud whisper", called me a "wombat" (she thought it was "uncool" for me
to discuss much of anything energetically, IOW, a personality conflict).
I turned and looked her in th eeye and said, "Hey, thanks!, they're
interesting and, gee, kind of cute!, so thanks!" THe jerk who ran the
section looked at me and said with a you-are-an-idiot sort of intonation,
"I don't think that's what she meant". I said, well, of course I know
that, and of course I know exactly what she meant, but I don't care so I
decided to take it as a compliment instead", and then went on with my
spiel (which I had been asked to give, so there ya go).

The thing is that there are some poeple who are idiots and/or a-holes who
have nothing better to do or think about other than trying to insult
someone else, usually in a feeble-minded attempt to make themselves look
superior. They will use all sorts of words, even nonsense words, made up
words, to try to make someone else feel bad.

What I think is most important is to teach people of all ages ahtat
insults unmask the insualter for what he/she truely is, i.e. an insecure
person, often with an inferior intellect, who has to resort to tryuing to
tear others down because he/she is too inept to do anything else to get
others to think well or highly of him/her. Derogatory words are things
taht one should not resort to, but if a person does, the main thing is
that the intended target has to realize that all the insult really is, is
hot air from an a-hole.




Posted by Edgar on January 28, 2008, 7:25 pm
> There is an old saying that seems worth repeating:
>
> Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat
> you with experience.
>
>
> BTW, What are you kids doing?
> How is your craft coming along?
> Are we there yet?
>
> -SG
>
>

Every now and then, they say something that could be thought of as
intelligent (especially when you don't really know the idiot at first), and
your curiosity is peaked. Sooner or later you figure it out, but of course
it has taken too long. In some ways it has strengthened my own thoughts and
ideas. Of course, eventually it becomes futile like it already has.

Me I am involved in my first semi Project Management task, with a little
help from the real project managers. It came about partly as a necessity,
because one boss screwed up his knee doing a wheelie on his kids bike, and
while that happened we had the fires that threatened the San Bernardino
Mountains (California if your curious), and he messed it up again evacuating
and trying to save some of his stuff. Luckily nothing happened to his home,
and his knee is healing. My other boss ended up having a herniated disk,
and needed to get two of his spinal disks fused. So I basically had to run
this small job, from drafting to project management, and it has been pretty
good. It's a small 3000 S.F. Wound Healing Center (think Hyperbaric
Chambers). I am learning, always learning, and I've been up to the
challenge so far. They want to involve me from beginning to end so
construction should be more fun. Oh forgot to mention it was one of our
first jobs dealing with the city rather than the state (normally do
schools), so that was another challenge.

I'll be there in another 30 years (what is the going age for Master
Architect these days?) :-P

--
Edgar



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