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Werner Ladder Kris Krieger 04-28-2008
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Posted by Kris Krieger on April 28, 2008, 6:36 pm
Well, I hope teh folks who'd mentioned Werner Ladders here some months back
were/are right re: their quality - I just ordered a Werner 26-Foot 300-
Pound-capacity Multi-Ladder - it's an extension ladder to 23' but also can
fold into half or quarters and used as a step ladder.

Jeez but I love Amazon.com <LOL!>


Posted by Kris Krieger on May 1, 2008, 4:29 pm

> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>> Well, I hope teh folks who'd mentioned Werner Ladders here some
>> months back
>> were/are right re: their quality - I just ordered a Werner 26-Foot
>> 300- Pound-capacity Multi-Ladder - it's an extension ladder to 23'
>> but also can fold into half or quarters and used as a step ladder.
>>
>> Jeez but I love Amazon.com <LOL!>
>
> HA!
> Werner rulz.
> I have a 25 yo wooden 6' step ladder and all the rivets have loosened
> so that its unsafe.
> Also have a 6' Werner fiberglass one that I use most of the time,
> rated for 300 (red) I think.
> Last summer I picked up on the deal of the century at Menards, a 22'
> Werner aluminum extension ladder, 300 lb rating, for $89.
> Jayziss.
> Everywhere else that thing goes for $200+, so I skarfed it up.
> I used it extensively when I did our 2 story deck.
> I like the 300 lb rating cause that means I can scale the thing with
> 100+lbs of stuff in tow, like a bundle of shingles or other things.

I went with the 300 mostly because I like to have a wide margin of safety.
Anything I'd do these days is minor, but I always like having a bit of
extra capability just in case.

> As a matter of habit I have trained myself to stand along the sides of
> the rungs cause many moonz ago I stood in the center of the rungs
> while toting shingles to a roof and actually bent one of the rungs
> with all the weight in the middle. Scary.

Seriously. I won't (can't these days) be hauling anything near that heavy,
but I will be using some tools and whatnot, so what the heck, esp. since
the one I got was on sale and iirc, less than the smaller ones.

> Lastly, I built a set of bolt on extensions for the bottom end of my
> extension ladder that are triangle shaped, out of some aluminum
> extrusion I had laying around.
> When installed it doubles the footprint of the base making it much
> more stable when its fully extended.
> Oh yeah, where do you store such a thing as a 12' collapsed extension
> ladder?

I hadn't thought of that yet, tho' for now, just lay it down in the garage
- OTOH, it'd be simple enough to put up a modest rack, or some heavy-duty
hooks/hangers.

> I put mine on top of my garage door tracks, out of the way but easy to
> get to.
> Just make sure its at the far end so the door rails won't hit it, but
> if you have an opener (I don't-yet) this might be tricky.

If I put it up there, I'd need another ladder just to reach it. ANd I
doubt my shoulder would stand up to me try. Not to mention problems with
body mechanics - I can't lift much over my head. So once it arrives and I
have a good sense of the weight, I'll look for some hangers I can screw
into the garage-wall studs.




Posted by Kris Krieger on May 2, 2008, 2:53 pm

>
>>
>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>> Well, I hope teh folks who'd mentioned Werner Ladders here some
>>>> months back
>>>> were/are right re: their quality - I just ordered a Werner 26-Foot
>>>> 300- Pound-capacity Multi-Ladder - it's an extension ladder to 23'
>>>> but also can fold into half or quarters and used as a step ladder.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez but I love Amazon.com <LOL!>
>>>
>>> HA!
>>> Werner rulz.
>>> I have a 25 yo wooden 6' step ladder and all the rivets have
>>> loosened so that its unsafe.
>>> Also have a 6' Werner fiberglass one that I use most of the time,
>>> rated for 300 (red) I think.
>>> Last summer I picked up on the deal of the century at Menards, a 22'
>>> Werner aluminum extension ladder, 300 lb rating, for $89.
>>> Jayziss.
>>> Everywhere else that thing goes for $200+, so I skarfed it up.
>>> I used it extensively when I did our 2 story deck.
>>> I like the 300 lb rating cause that means I can scale the thing with
>>> 100+lbs of stuff in tow, like a bundle of shingles or other things.
>>
>> I went with the 300 mostly because I like to have a wide margin of
>> safety. Anything I'd do these days is minor, but I always like having
>> a bit of extra capability just in case.
>>
>>> As a matter of habit I have trained myself to stand along the sides
>>> of the rungs cause many moonz ago I stood in the center of the rungs
>>> while toting shingles to a roof and actually bent one of the rungs
>>> with all the weight in the middle. Scary.
>>
>> Seriously. I won't (can't these days) be hauling anything near that
>> heavy,
>> but I will be using some tools and whatnot, so what the heck, esp.
>> since the one I got was on sale and iirc, less than the smaller ones.
>>
>>> Lastly, I built a set of bolt on extensions for the bottom end of my
>>> extension ladder that are triangle shaped, out of some aluminum
>>> extrusion I had laying around.
>>> When installed it doubles the footprint of the base making it much
>>> more stable when its fully extended.
>>> Oh yeah, where do you store such a thing as a 12' collapsed
>>> extension ladder?
>>
>> I hadn't thought of that yet, tho' for now, just lay it down in the
>> garage - OTOH, it'd be simple enough to put up a modest rack, or some
>> heavy-duty hooks/hangers.
>
> I can't lose that much wall space.

Yeah, not everyone can - I don't have anything on the walls yet (OK, to be
honest, everythign is at this point just dumped in there...), si it would
work for me ;)

>
>>> I put mine on top of my garage door tracks, out of the way but easy
>>> to get to.
>>> Just make sure its at the far end so the door rails won't hit it,
>>> but if you have an opener (I don't-yet) this might be tricky.
>>
>> If I put it up there, I'd need another ladder just to reach it.
>
> What kind of a dood are you man?
> Going into an open forum and admitting you only have ONE ladder.
> Have you no sense of decency?
> No shame? LOL

NONONO!!! <L!> I have 3, just none that are both tall enough and steady
enough to let me mess with getting a 66-lb thing up that high. The thing
also folds up, which reduces it's use of storage space:
http://tinyurl.com/3u9fj4

I rented for so long that I previously didn't need anything this large.

;)


>
>
> ANd I
>> doubt my shoulder would stand up to me try. Not to mention problems
>> with body mechanics - I can't lift much over my head. So once it
>> arrives and I have a good sense of the weight, I'll look for some
>> hangers I can screw into the garage-wall studs.
>
> 2 words: block n tackle. heh
> I have so much stuff on my garage door rails they may need structural
> reinforcing!

Oh lord, now you're getting way too complex - and I have too many projects
in the planning or unfinished stages as is <L!>

And I might end up needing to rig (or build) a Glass workbench topped with
this stuff:
http://www.homasote.com/result.asp
It's great for cutting really small glass shapes.

Might need to get or rig up a fume hood (solder contains lead).

So I won't be rigging up any block'n'tackle setups anytime soon ;)

Posted by Kris Krieger on May 2, 2008, 7:59 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>>>> Well, I hope teh folks who'd mentioned Werner Ladders here some
>>>>>> months back
>>>>>> were/are right re: their quality - I just ordered a Werner
>>>>>> 26-Foot 300- Pound-capacity Multi-Ladder - it's an extension
>>>>>> ladder to 23' but also can fold into half or quarters and used as
>>>>>> a step ladder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeez but I love Amazon.com <LOL!>
>>>>>
>>>>> HA!
>>>>> Werner rulz.
>>>>> I have a 25 yo wooden 6' step ladder and all the rivets have
>>>>> loosened so that its unsafe.
>>>>> Also have a 6' Werner fiberglass one that I use most of the time,
>>>>> rated for 300 (red) I think.
>>>>> Last summer I picked up on the deal of the century at Menards, a
>>>>> 22' Werner aluminum extension ladder, 300 lb rating, for $89.
>>>>> Jayziss.
>>>>> Everywhere else that thing goes for $200+, so I skarfed it up.
>>>>> I used it extensively when I did our 2 story deck.
>>>>> I like the 300 lb rating cause that means I can scale the thing
>>>>> with 100+lbs of stuff in tow, like a bundle of shingles or other
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> I went with the 300 mostly because I like to have a wide margin of
>>>> safety. Anything I'd do these days is minor, but I always like
>>>> having a bit of extra capability just in case.
>>>>
>>>>> As a matter of habit I have trained myself to stand along the
>>>>> sides of the rungs cause many moonz ago I stood in the center of
>>>>> the rungs while toting shingles to a roof and actually bent one of
>>>>> the rungs with all the weight in the middle. Scary.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously. I won't (can't these days) be hauling anything near
>>>> that heavy,
>>>> but I will be using some tools and whatnot, so what the heck, esp.
>>>> since the one I got was on sale and iirc, less than the smaller
>>>> ones.
>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, I built a set of bolt on extensions for the bottom end of
>>>>> my extension ladder that are triangle shaped, out of some aluminum
>>>>> extrusion I had laying around.
>>>>> When installed it doubles the footprint of the base making it much
>>>>> more stable when its fully extended.
>>>>> Oh yeah, where do you store such a thing as a 12' collapsed
>>>>> extension ladder?
>>>>
>>>> I hadn't thought of that yet, tho' for now, just lay it down in the
>>>> garage - OTOH, it'd be simple enough to put up a modest rack, or
>>>> some heavy-duty hooks/hangers.
>>>
>>> I can't lose that much wall space.
>>
>> Yeah, not everyone can - I don't have anything on the walls yet (OK,
>> to be honest, everythign is at this point just dumped in there...),
>> si it would work for me ;)
>>
>>>
>>>>> I put mine on top of my garage door tracks, out of the way but
>>>>> easy to get to.
>>>>> Just make sure its at the far end so the door rails won't hit it,
>>>>> but if you have an opener (I don't-yet) this might be tricky.
>>>>
>>>> If I put it up there, I'd need another ladder just to reach it.
>>>
>>> What kind of a dood are you man?
>>> Going into an open forum and admitting you only have ONE ladder.
>>> Have you no sense of decency?
>>> No shame? LOL
>>
>> NONONO!!! <L!> I have 3, just none that are both tall enough and
>> steady enough to let me mess with getting a 66-lb thing up that high.
>> The thing also folds up, which reduces it's use of storage space:
>> http://tinyurl.com/3u9fj4
>>
>> I rented for so long that I previously didn't need anything this
>> large.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ANd I
>>>> doubt my shoulder would stand up to me try. Not to mention
>>>> problems with body mechanics - I can't lift much over my head. So
>>>> once it arrives and I have a good sense of the weight, I'll look
>>>> for some hangers I can screw into the garage-wall studs.
>>>
>>> 2 words: block n tackle. heh
>>> I have so much stuff on my garage door rails they may need
>>> structural reinforcing!
>>
>> Oh lord, now you're getting way too complex - and I have too many
>> projects in the planning or unfinished stages as is <L!>
>
> I hear that, and thats what led my discovery of putting stuff on top
> of my OHGD (over head garage door) rails.
> Currently I have up there: my ladder, another ladder I built out of
> 2x4's, various sizes of lumber, PVC pipes and 3 weedeaters, and some
> other stuff. I have 2 garage doors so the more the merrier.

THat prob makes a difference - we''ve only got one really wide door.
Quite a span...

>
> You know what I hate?
> Them GD steel perforated angle braces on the end of the rails that
> anchor it to the trusses.
> Thats what I currently have but one of my uncompleted projects is to
> yank them and anchor the rails with 2x lumber so that it creates a
> nicely finished appearance when I install the plywood on the ceiling
> this summer. Thats right, I still don't have insulation of sheathing
> installed in my garage ceiling, just open trusses, and yes the truss
> webs are full of stuff too.

Yikes. My projects are all *much* smaller ;) Too bad here isn't a
"shrink/unshrink" machine that could shrink stuff for storage, btu
unshrink it to be worked on <L!>

> Last winter the garage was so cold as to be completely unusable so its
> imperative that I get it enclosed tight this summer.
> I'm also considering installing a potbelly wood stove for heat.
> But...my wife has a whole list of things she wants me to do and a few
> of my clients keep screaming for more and more work to get done and
> new clients are popping up all the time.
> I think I need to just go ahead and retire so I can get some stuff
> done.....HA!
>
>> And I might end up needing to rig (or build) a Glass workbench topped
>> with this stuff:
>> http://www.homasote.com/result.asp
>> It's great for cutting really small glass shapes.
>
> The homosote I've seen has a slightly textured surface and may not be
> the best thing for delicate work, plus, it doesn't heal well from
> cuts, and it compresses very easily.

That's what I might have thought just hearing about it, btu my instructor
has it on top of her benchtops, and it actually works quite well. One
piece I cut was a half-circle with about a 1/3" dimeter, so that clinched
it for me ;) THe texture supports the glass well emough without being
hard (which ironicall makes cutting a bit weasier), plus i thas some
"bite" so it helps hold those little bits.

> Put a scrap through the paces before you invest in a large area.
> Something to consider, though probably more costly, is a say, 3/4"
> plywood substrate with Borco drawing board cover on top.
> Borco *heals* relatively well and provides a solid backing for
> intricate cutting.
> As long as you don't cut into it too deep the slice marks sort of
> compress back together to become almost invisible.

That's not a major facor with the glass cutting - since you're actually
scoring and breaking rather than cutting per se, nothing slices into the
surface (since scores are supposed to stop just a hair shor of the edge
anyway, so as to not wreck your glass cutter and also to not chip the
glass). Smaller pieces of Homasote are great for layout, I've recently
learned in this class, because you can just cram push-pins into it top
hold everything in place. The last time I did stained glass, I used
particle board and nails to hold everything. But that was using the lead
pieces ("came" - dunno why it's called that, but it is), and overall the
thing was heavy, so the particle board was a stronger support. WHat I'm
learnign now is Copper Foil, which is what's used on Tiffany lamps and
copies thereof, and it's quite different, lighter for one thing, so th
elighter board works better than one might think, without seeing it in
action so to speak.

Those self-healing things are great for using an Exacto knife, tho', so
they're good for paper-art projects. I have one that's about 2'X3' for
that sort of thing (tho' it's been a long time since I've done any).

> You have to use double sided tape to make it lay flat and not curl up
> and it comes in several colors that are soothing to the eyes, my
> preference has always been the light blue but in school we used light
> green.

I got green because that's all I saw. But it works well, gives a
contrast without bothering my eyes ;)


>
>> Might need to get or rig up a fume hood (solder contains lead).
>>
>> So I won't be rigging up any block'n'tackle setups anytime soon ;)
>
>
>


Posted by Kris Krieger on May 3, 2008, 7:14 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>>>>>> Well, I hope teh folks who'd mentioned Werner Ladders here some
>>>>>>>> months back
>>>>>>>> were/are right re: their quality - I just ordered a Werner
>>>>>>>> 26-Foot 300- Pound-capacity Multi-Ladder - it's an extension
>>>>>>>> ladder to 23' but also can fold into half or quarters and used
>>>>>>>> as a step ladder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeez but I love Amazon.com <LOL!>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HA!
>>>>>>> Werner rulz.
>>>>>>> I have a 25 yo wooden 6' step ladder and all the rivets have
>>>>>>> loosened so that its unsafe.
>>>>>>> Also have a 6' Werner fiberglass one that I use most of the
>>>>>>> time, rated for 300 (red) I think.
>>>>>>> Last summer I picked up on the deal of the century at Menards, a
>>>>>>> 22' Werner aluminum extension ladder, 300 lb rating, for $89.
>>>>>>> Jayziss.
>>>>>>> Everywhere else that thing goes for $200+, so I skarfed it up.
>>>>>>> I used it extensively when I did our 2 story deck.
>>>>>>> I like the 300 lb rating cause that means I can scale the thing
>>>>>>> with 100+lbs of stuff in tow, like a bundle of shingles or other
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I went with the 300 mostly because I like to have a wide margin
>>>>>> of safety. Anything I'd do these days is minor, but I always like
>>>>>> having a bit of extra capability just in case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a matter of habit I have trained myself to stand along the
>>>>>>> sides of the rungs cause many moonz ago I stood in the center of
>>>>>>> the rungs while toting shingles to a roof and actually bent one
>>>>>>> of the rungs with all the weight in the middle. Scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously. I won't (can't these days) be hauling anything near
>>>>>> that heavy,
>>>>>> but I will be using some tools and whatnot, so what the heck,
>>>>>> esp. since the one I got was on sale and iirc, less than the
>>>>>> smaller ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lastly, I built a set of bolt on extensions for the bottom end
>>>>>>> of my extension ladder that are triangle shaped, out of some
>>>>>>> aluminum extrusion I had laying around.
>>>>>>> When installed it doubles the footprint of the base making it
>>>>>>> much more stable when its fully extended.
>>>>>>> Oh yeah, where do you store such a thing as a 12' collapsed
>>>>>>> extension ladder?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn't thought of that yet, tho' for now, just lay it down in
>>>>>> the garage - OTOH, it'd be simple enough to put up a modest rack,
>>>>>> or some heavy-duty hooks/hangers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't lose that much wall space.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, not everyone can - I don't have anything on the walls yet
>>>> (OK, to be honest, everythign is at this point just dumped in
>>>> there...), si it would work for me ;)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I put mine on top of my garage door tracks, out of the way but
>>>>>>> easy to get to.
>>>>>>> Just make sure its at the far end so the door rails won't hit
>>>>>>> it, but if you have an opener (I don't-yet) this might be
>>>>>>> tricky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I put it up there, I'd need another ladder just to reach it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of a dood are you man?
>>>>> Going into an open forum and admitting you only have ONE ladder.
>>>>> Have you no sense of decency?
>>>>> No shame? LOL
>>>>
>>>> NONONO!!! <L!> I have 3, just none that are both tall enough and
>>>> steady enough to let me mess with getting a 66-lb thing up that
>>>> high.
>>>> The thing also folds up, which reduces it's use of storage space:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3u9fj4
>>>>
>>>> I rented for so long that I previously didn't need anything this
>>>> large.
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ANd I
>>>>>> doubt my shoulder would stand up to me try. Not to mention
>>>>>> problems with body mechanics - I can't lift much over my head.
>>>>>> So once it arrives and I have a good sense of the weight, I'll
>>>>>> look for some hangers I can screw into the garage-wall studs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 words: block n tackle. heh
>>>>> I have so much stuff on my garage door rails they may need
>>>>> structural reinforcing!
>>>>
>>>> Oh lord, now you're getting way too complex - and I have too many
>>>> projects in the planning or unfinished stages as is <L!>
>>>
>>> I hear that, and thats what led my discovery of putting stuff on top
>>> of my OHGD (over head garage door) rails.
>>> Currently I have up there: my ladder, another ladder I built out of
>>> 2x4's, various sizes of lumber, PVC pipes and 3 weedeaters, and some
>>> other stuff. I have 2 garage doors so the more the merrier.
>>
>> THat prob makes a difference - we''ve only got one really wide door.
>> Quite a span...
>>
>>>
>>> You know what I hate?
>>> Them GD steel perforated angle braces on the end of the rails that
>>> anchor it to the trusses.
>>> Thats what I currently have but one of my uncompleted projects is to
>>> yank them and anchor the rails with 2x lumber so that it creates a
>>> nicely finished appearance when I install the plywood on the ceiling
>>> this summer. Thats right, I still don't have insulation of sheathing
>>> installed in my garage ceiling, just open trusses, and yes the truss
>>> webs are full of stuff too.
>>
>> Yikes. My projects are all *much* smaller ;)
>
>
> I got some small stuff too LOL
> Theres a 3d puzzle sitting here on one of my desks that I've been
> working on, off and on for 4 months.
> Its the Chrysler building (my favorite) and I just don't get it, I
> swear some of the pieces are missing. heh
> Plus, there is no overall picture of the completed building so the
> builder is left to his own devices.

I haven't tried any of those yet. Heh, maybe I should try to make it in
stained glass! HA, talk abut grandoise fantasizing ;) I keep thinking
about getting the Clock.

> I also have a bunch of leaves I grabbed last fall and washed and have
> held under presses for the past 6 months or so that I'm starting to
> play around with, with various paint combo's, metalic glazes, acrylic
> washes, crackle, antiqueing, etc.

Leaves? huh, I never heard of doing that. Or thought of it.

> You see, one of my sort of long range projects is a large wall art
> that is slowly being envisioned simultaneously created with *things* I
> have found or developed completely from natural materials here on our
> property. It actually started almost 2 years ago when we moved here
> with a unique, long, twisted oak branch my wife found down in the
> woods. I stripped the bark off of it and put it in the shed to dry and
> since then I've found a large (30lb) geode in our stream that I'm
> going to incorporate into the thing. Maybe the branch will be *growing
> out of* the geode, or something. But we have a large, 9' high x 4'
> wide wall at the top of the stairs in the house that is currently
> blank and I want to put this creation on that wall. Someday.

THat interesting - sort of a history, too, of your place. You can look
at the parts and remember what was going on, what you all were doing,
when you collected the material. Kind of cool, IMO. Very personal.
It's nice to see a place that has personal art, as opposed to looking
around and sayuing , Oh, I saw that at Pier One, or Oh, I saw that at
Wall-Mart...

>
> Then there's my wine bottle collection, that I'm trying to figure out
> what to do with.
> Nothing fancy about the bottle themselves but I'm trying to come up
> with ideas on what to do with them that will be totally unique, maybe
> melt them, cut them in various shapes, dye them, grind textures on the
> outsides, I dunno.

I got a book some time back about how to do decorative concrete (let me
know if you're interested int he title and author; it's not up here and
I'd have ot look for it). ANyhoo, one photo showed a wall-type thing
with bottles embedded in it so that the neck and bottom were in the
concrete (as opposed to sticking out of it).

Now, if th ebottles stuck out, I don't know whether wind would "whislte"
when blowing past them. But there are all sorts of ways you could cut
them (or not) and embed them in concrete forms - make an arched thing in
the shape of a Gothic window, but it'd be more like a wall, with the
bottles s the glass parts, for example, Or, cut off the bottoms and just
use the round parts.

>
> And on and on and on.
> I have to have 100 irons in the fire at the same time, or I get bored.
> TV?
> Who has time for it, when there's so many more interesting things to
> do........?

TO be honest, I mostly tend to watch TV when my neurohormones go out of
whack (as they're wont to do) and go into a depression :p . Otherwise,
I'm too busy doing other stuff to bother with it. Well, tho' I do watch
while I eat. And I do try to watch enough of the news to get some idea
of what's going on, but the Net is prob just as good or better, really.
But most of the stuff that's on is just IMO crap. Most of it is one or
another way to show people being catty, petty, nasty, negatively
competitive, backbiting, baiting, and so on - Yeesh...that stuff is like
poison - IMO of course ;)




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