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"...What once seemed special now looks rote..."

aesthete8@hotmail.com

02-08-2008

Re: "...What once seemed special now looks rote......

Michael Bulatov...

02-08-2008

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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on February 8, 2008, 5:07 pm

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:

>>"

>>>

>>>often ending up with difficulty enjoying art on a pedestrian level in a

>>>vast brutalist waste of space.

>>>

>>At a all-night arts festival it was interesting to watch crowd dynamics in

>>front of 'the crystal' if you can still call it that....the sidewalk was

>>packed and the crowd almost at a standstill. The cops even put barricades

>>in the curb lane of the street to devote it to pedestrians, but the

>>people/square meter dropped off as you approach the front door of that

>>thing. If you wanted to walk freely you had to 'risk' walking under it. I

>>did it, and felt a distinct, visceral sense of unease, which I had to

>>consciously overcome. Right up against it, the sidewalks were *clear*.

>>While not "Capital B" "Brutalist", it's making the some of the same

>>mistakes as many buildings from that period did. History is cyclical.

> I don't think that elements have to be metal to be brutal. Spatial

> elements, as you desribed, that are austere and distancing are brutal,

> too.

Capital B Brutalism is know for the heavy massing of poured concrete and, to
a lesser degree, masonry and precast. Exposed metals were not part of the
palette: too thin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture#Style

Posted by ++ on February 8, 2008, 6:23 pm

Michael Bulatovich wrote:

>Capital B Brutalism is know for the heavy massing of poured concrete and, to

>a lesser degree, masonry and precast. Exposed metals were not part of the

>palette: too thin.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture#Style

I wasn't referencing I think I named everything brutalist during a
certain period in the 90s, that seeemed to me dehumanist and heartless
and lacking any reference to nayure, classicl elements or any romantic
notion, color or texture. A lot of this kind of architecture went
beyond mid century brutalism to kind of impose some kind of ugly
asthetic. There is an office building in DC crowned, literally, with a
kind of spiky , nasty metal crown, the kind that looks conceived to
impale large birds of prey. Neobrutalist buildings love the use of
steel. Lloyd's is an example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lloyds_Building_stair_case.jpg

An example of an interior, more what I was talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phaeno-interior-press-kit3.jpg

So large a space for so little art:
http://www.contemporaryartscenter.org/building

junkpile approach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Weisman_Art_Museum.jpg

Posted by Michael Bulatovich on February 9, 2008, 8:54 am

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:

>>Capital B Brutalism is know for the heavy massing of poured concrete and,

>>to a lesser degree, masonry and precast. Exposed metals were not part of

>>the palette: too thin.

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture#Style

> I wasn't referencing I think I named everything brutalist during a certain

> period in the 90s, that seeemed to me dehumanist and heartless and lacking

> any reference to nayure, classicl elements or any romantic notion, color

> or texture. A lot of this kind of architecture went beyond mid century

> brutalism to kind of impose some kind of ugly asthetic.

'Ugly' has been 'the new beauty' before. For me 'brutalist' or 'brutalism'
is a 'reserved namespace' so when you use them my mind goes to "béton brut"

> There is an office building in DC crowned, literally, with a kind of spiky

> , nasty metal crown, the kind that looks conceived to impale large birds

> of prey. Neobrutalist buildings love the use of steel. Lloyd's is an

> example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lloyds_Building_stair_case.jpg

Private money too, well, sort of...

> An example of an interior, more what I was talking about:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phaeno-interior-press-kit3.jpg

heheh A classic "Architectural Photography" shot. "HELLLLLOOOO?"
..."Helllllooo?".......'helllloooo?'.....helloo?
Since there's no one around, how about a rousing game of paintball?

> So large a space for so little art:

> http://www.contemporaryartscenter.org/building

I wonder if the building glows red and yellow like the model in real
life.....

> junkpile approach:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Weisman_Art_Museum.jpg

How's that for a completely fresh approach to windows and doors, eh?

Posted by ++ on February 9, 2008, 11:28 am

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Posted by Kris Krieger on February 9, 2008, 7:22 pm

> ..

>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=muse&sid=aCr_fzw

>> _ySpw

> heheh

> "Too few museums undertake a deep inquiry that combines an insightful

> designer with museum leadership that knows what it wants. Whether a

> design is subdued or extroverted will emerge from an open-minded

> consideration of growth that teases out what's unique about the

> collections, setting and city. "

> Yeah, either that or a completely arbitrary, preconceived notion,

> based on what attracted tourists to another city somewhere, and reused

> in toto from another project built on an entirely different site.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ontario_Museum#Third_Expansion

*That* is supposed to look like a crystal? A crystal *what*? Crystals are
not just haphazard jumples of this shape and that shape. They are
expressions of *molecular order*.

This looks to me more like someone took a crystal, and threw it against a
wall.

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