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Whether LEED or not... Edgar 11-08-2007
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Posted by 3D Peruna on November 9, 2007, 2:48 pm
RicodJour wrote:
>> Edgar wrote:
>>> ...it still looks like a beautiful building to me, and produces more energy
>>> than it consumes. What do you guys think?
>>> http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/11/08/first-leed-platinum-carbon-neutra...
>> We've seriously looked into LEED. It's goals are worthy, but the
>> process is not. It's politicized, expensive and having "LEED" on your
>> building is simply a marketing ploy to get more people to have "LEED" on
>> their buildings. They way the system is set up there are few
>> priorities. Stupid stuff helps you qualify as much as real stuff.
>
> Kind of like AIA on your letterhead? =:O

'zactly. Stupid organization.

>
>> Also, from the site: $333.333/sq. ft. Ouch. What's the payback on that?
>>
>> Buildings that use less energy to build, heat/cool, and maintain are
>> great. Let's just be realistic about building them.
>
> ? That $333.33(3?)/SF doesn't reflect mortgage costs. It, in and of
> itself is a borderline imaginary number. If it's built by an
> individual, there will be a mortgage, if it's built by an agency of
> some sort, there may be bonds and interest on that. None of that
> stuff is ever reflected in the SF costs.

Yes... The total extra cost will probably never be known.

>
> There are also very substantial incentives for going low impact -
> state, federal and power company rebates, low cost loans, etc. CA has
> a program where you're paid a higher number per KW sold to the utility
> than what you pay when you buy a KW. You should not trivialize such
> things as they have a major impact on the viability of going green.
> Plus the chicks love it!

If they are used, then again, the real costs are even more than $333/sq.
ft., so "green" isn't nearly as affordable as they want us to think it
is. You and I are paying these guys to be "green."

I'm married, so I don't care if the chicks love it.

Posted by RicodJour on November 9, 2007, 3:27 pm
>
> I'm married, so I don't care if the chicks love it.

Married Dead! You have to design for everyone, 3D, even the smoking
hot chicks. It's the law.

R


Posted by 3D Peruna on November 9, 2007, 4:34 pm
RicodJour wrote:
>> I'm married, so I don't care if the chicks love it.
>
> Married Dead! You have to design for everyone, 3D, even the smoking
> hot chicks. It's the law.

Only if they're really rich! And pay our fees.... Sort of a reverse
"Indecent Proposal".

Posted by Michael Bulatovich on November 9, 2007, 1:20 pm

> Edgar wrote:
>> ...it still looks like a beautiful building to me, and produces more
>> energy than it consumes. What do you guys think?
>>
>>
http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/11/08/first-leed-platinum-carbon-neutral-building/
>>
>
> We've seriously looked into LEED. It's goals are worthy, but the process
> is not. It's politicized, expensive and having "LEED" on your building is
> simply a marketing ploy to get more people to have "LEED" on their
> buildings. They way the system is set up there are few priorities.
> Stupid stuff helps you qualify as much as real stuff.
>
> Also, from the site: $333.333/sq. ft. Ouch. What's the payback on that?

US or CAN ? ; )

Seriously though, I've done conventional projects with those kinds of
budgets. As for the politicization of 'sustainability, well, enough said.

I'd rather hear what you think of the design, form what little you can see
of it. (No plans, etc.)
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



Posted by 3D Peruna on November 9, 2007, 2:59 pm
Michael Bulatovich wrote:

>> Also, from the site: $333.333/sq. ft. Ouch. What's the payback on that?
>
> US or CAN ? ; )

US, it' would be, um less, in CAN now, than it was before.

>
> Seriously though, I've done conventional projects with those kinds of
> budgets. As for the politicization of 'sustainability, well, enough said.

Sure, so have I. But one of the apparent selling points of "green" is
that doesn't cost extra. Obviously, there isn't much in terms of
visual/plans/design to see, but the place doesn't look $333/sq.ft. to me.

>
> I'd rather hear what you think of the design, form what little you can see
> of it. (No plans, etc.)

It's nice enough. But hard to tell with so little info.

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