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"...Why is symmetry so satisfying?" aesthete8@hotmail.com 06-02-2008
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Posted by aesthete8@hotmail.com on June 2, 2008, 6:40 am
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Posted by Kris Krieger on June 2, 2008, 11:15 am
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Looks like an interesting book. For my part, it's interesting not only
that symmetry is pleasing, but *certain forms* of assymetry as well-
asymmetrical elements have to have a "balance".
IMO, the taproot, so to speak, of the phenomenon of the 'pleasingness'
quality is survivability. In nature, both smmetry, and *balanced*
assymetry, impact the survivability not only of biological organisms, but
also of structures, although it's probably easier to consider biological
organisms, as there are so many different examples.
For quadrupeds and bipeds, symmetry is important firstly because of its
impact upon locomotion, vision, and manipulation of the environment.
Picture an herbivore grazing, and the picture it being chased by a
predator. For both of them, speed is enhanced by the coordinated
movements of their four legs. Although a three-legged creature would be
stable (and possibly be able to sleep standing up - which bipeds, as far
as I know, cannot do), it's impossible for me, at elat,t o imagine how a
three-legged creature could coordinate its limbs so as to reach the
speeds of, for example, a gazelle, or a pursuing cheetah, or a horse.
Balance makes for efficiency. For humans, walking is a surprisingly
efficient means of locomotion, because of the way the human body is
(usually) balanced. A thrid arm might sometimes be "handy" (sorry for
the bad pun ;) ), but it'd have a negative effect upon balance and
therefore upon efficiency of locomotion, which doesnt' make much of a
difference in "couch potato" cultures, but does have an impact upon more
rigorous lifestyles, esp. the ancient hunting-gathering, and even manual
farming, lifestyles of our ancestors. ((Remember that the combine, for
example, only was invented and came into wide use in the late 1940's or
early 1950's.)) Inefficient locomotion generally makes for slower
locomotion, but possibly more importantly, more calorie-intensive
locomotion, since it takes more effort - and again, for the vast majority
of human history (and, really, even for a gret amhy, if not most, of
today's world population), starvation is a constant threat, so anything
that made an individual require more calories tended to be dropped from
the gene pool, due to the lowered survivability of the individual.
A lack of symmetry affects not only efficiency of locomotion, but also
perception. Given that perception is vital for both finding food and
avoiding predators, again, in a survivalist/"primitive" mode of
existence, anything that negatively impacted it would be unlikely to be
passed on to the next generation.
As for "balanced assymetry", it's obvious that the most symmetrical shape
would be a sphere (right angles being very uncommon in nature, aside from
some rock/crystal faces and formations), and equally obvious is the fact
that the closest any biological entity is to a sphere occurs in
microorganisms and jellyfish. Higher animals have separated perceptual
organs from digestive organs, and both from locomotive organs - IOW, a
head, a gut, and legs/fins/wings. However, all of these things also need
to operate in the environment of the Earth: gravity, hydrodynamics
(whether it be of air or water), temperature, and so on. If the head is
too large, the animal wouldn't be able to move forwards, and IIRC the
only animal whose main/only direction of locomotion is backwards are
squid. Most animals on Earth (and in most of Earth's history) are
laterally symmetrical, i.e. symmetrical along the long axis, but
assymetrical front-to-back. But that assymetry must be in balance, or
else the animal wouldn't be able to move efficiently. Its body, IOW, has
to balance all the forces that the animal encounters during th ecourse of
its life.
So, while mathematicians talk about 1.618 and 1.414 and other "magic"
ratios, it might make more sense to look at animals, and where their
"pivit points" are located and which rations permit, or don't permit,
them to balance.
Just my own random thoughts ;)
- K.
Posted by EDS on June 2, 2008, 11:46 am
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Sleeping right behind me is one of my dogs, 15 year old Georgie Girl, who
lost a front leg when she was about 6 months old and then last spring had a
tumor removed from a back leg that permanently damaged her muscles in that
leg. When younger she kept up with the other dogs and caught Frisbees with
ease. She still swims well and can walk at a good pace if motivated (meeting
new people or dogs). Obviously she is not symmetrical, but locomotion was
not seriously disturbed. Her remaining front leg is very heavily muscled. I
can envision a 3 legged beast because I have a well functioning one with
really 2-1/2 legs. Didn't Larry Niven (sci-fi author) write about that once?
EDS
Posted by gruhn on June 2, 2008, 2:39 pm
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Permit me to try to sum up the discussion as I see it:
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DESIGNED to function with four legs.
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Posted by Kris Krieger on June 2, 2008, 6:21 pm
>> but the case of a housepet is completely irrelevant to the
>> possible origins of why symmetry, and balanced assymetyry,
>> might be pleasing.
>
> Permit me to try to sum up the discussion as I see it:
>
>>>> Four legs workable. Three legs not. Therefore symmetry [sic] is
>>>> good.
>
>>> Three legs not only is workable but it is workable for something
>>> initially DESIGNED to function with four legs. [implication that it
>>> is EMINENTLY workable]
>
>> Three legs being workable has nothing to do with symmetry being good.
>
No, I was talking about efficiency versus inefficiency and the development
of symmetry in higher animals and insects and the interplay of that with
the fact that most animals prefer mates with a high degree of symmetry.
The subject of the original post (and thread) is "WHy is symmetry
satisfying", and I was presenting, albeit in summarized form, what is known
about the animal kingdom. It's not a matter of "good" or "not good", it's
a matter of efficiency and adaptation. If someone dumped a bunch of
unwanted greyhounds onto the African savannah, they'd probalby have the
speed and agility to outrun lions and even cheetahs. (It's another matter
entirely whether they could become successful predators - I've read that
feral dogs seldom do to the extent of being able to establish a stable
breeding population.) But take a dog who has had a leg amputated, and put
it into the same situation, and sorry, but it's goign to be Dinner - being
able to "keep up with" oterh dogs in a domestic, meaning protected,
situation is completely different from whether three legs is sufficiently
efficient at *both* outrunning four-legged predators, *and* hunting prey,
so as to survive and establish a breeding population.
The point is that we do *not* live on a planet dominated by trilaterally-
symmetrical creatures - there were some, IIRC, very early on in the history
of earth, but they disappeared.
I don't understand why the point seems so obscure.
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