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Posted by RicodJour on April 17, 2009, 7:44 pm
On Apr 17, 6:54=A0pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:36 pm, "Dioclese" <NONE> wrote:
> > > Dioclese wrote:
> > >>> I bought a 10 acre lot roughly in the mid-west of California in 200=
1.
> > >>> It
> > >>> took almost a year to get my first appointment with the planners an=
d 3
> > >>> more years to work the permits through an overloaded and
> > >>> not-very-competent (putting it very mildly) county. I finally had a=
ll
> > >>> the permits and I was about to start construction when I discovered
> > >>> that
> > >>> there was no electric supply at the lot, despite what the realtors =
had
> > >>> told me and what was on the sales fliers and the underground 3/4"
> > >>> cable
> > >>> in a concrete box by the road-side. I tried to settle the situation
> > >>> amicably by offering to pay 1/3 the cost of getting the supply to t=
he
> > >>> lot. Both realtors refused the suggestion. It was then litigated fo=
r
> > >>> several years. During that time the county sent me an email indicat=
ing
> > >>> that the permits were about to expire but they still could be reviv=
ed
> > >>> several times if they expired. I have that email. I agreed to let t=
hem
> > >>> expire and when the litigation was complete I contacted the county =
and
> > >>> was told that I would have to start from scratch and pay the fees
> > >>> again.
> > >>> I offered to bring all the documents up to the then-current code bu=
t
> > >>> they insisted that I had to go through the whole process again. I a=
m
> > >>> struggling to find a way out of this mess, since the county has no
> > >>> sympathy for my situation. I am trying to get all the documentation=
up
> > >>> to date and then sell the lot with the plans and let the new owner
> > >>> handle the permit applications.
> > >>> This is where this group may be able to help. I have visited the we=
b
> > >>> site:http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov/Code/default.htm
> > >>> and it gives lots of details of the changes but most is very
> > >>> irrelevant
> > >>> to my needs. Does anyone know of documentation that gives the actua=
l
> > >>> down-to-earth changes in the process since 2002. I did all the desi=
gn
> > >>> and drafting for the project. I had the services of a soils enginee=
r,
> > >>> a
> > >>> septic system designer and a structural engineer. Apart from those =
I
> > >>> did
> > >>> almost everything else. I now have all the tracings in TIFF format =
on
> > >>> my
> > >>> computer so, no more pencil and drafting board for me.
> > >>> Advice will be much appreciated.
> > >>> TIA
> > >> Since I participated very much in the decision end installation towa=
rds
> > >> my home (electric/water well/septic system). I understand your dilem=
ma.
> > >> I do not understand how you did not know that electric supply was no=
t
> > >> available on the lot. You seem to be participating from a desk, inst=
ead
> > >> of on-site. Since the electricity source is paramount over any other
> > >> support system, and needed in many cases to support those systems, i=
ts
> > >> priority is primary. I added 1 and 3 and came up with 4 years that t=
his
> > >> little unknown was not verified in person.
> > >> Most realtors have no idea what's on an individual plat of undevelop=
ed
> > >> land or lot other than its dimensions and obvious foliage. To have
> > >> electricity available for immediate use, a temporary or permanent me=
ter
> > >> loop must exist on the property, not roadside. The meter loop allows
> > >> the
> > >> seller of the electricity to monitor use of that, and bill the
> > >> appropriate person for that use.
> > > First, this is a private area with 10-acre residential lots, and the
> > > utilities were supposed to be running along a private road right by t=
he
> > > building pad. The water line was already installed at the pad. There =
was
> > > a
> > > concrete box on the roadside with a very heavy lid. I pried it up far
> > > enough to see a 3/4" diameter cable lying at the bottom. What would y=
ou
> > > think it was for? TV, phone, fiber optic, fruit juice? :-)
> > > In CA, the regulations do not allow PG&E to make ANY installations un=
til
> > > all permits are approved and construction is ready to start.
> > You may be able to BS some of the readers, I know better.
> ?
> > You answered your own question regarding electrical availability in the
> > PG&E
> > reply. Sad, that means you can't even have a temporary meter loop for y=
our
> > own use without intentions to build and plans approved for same. Very o=
dd
> > indeed. Also find it either totally false, or, BS CA way.
> The OP didn't have a question about the electric availability. =A0His
> question was about updating his drawings to conform to new
> requirements. =A0I did find it odd that the OP asked a question and
> didn't use a question mark, but it was still clearly the only question
> he posted.
> No, go back and read the original again.
I did. Same result. He only asked the one question (sans "?" (see
below (or above))). His second post addressed your questions and
slights. Then you told him he was BSing.
> > Either way, the PG&E availability after all is approved. Which answers
> > your
> > orginal question. Why are you here? I have no pity for anyone living in
> > CA, just move, forget the tea party and Hollywood politicians.
> Why is the OP here....hmmm, that's a tough one. =A0I'll take a stab at
> it. =A0Maybe because he has some questions about how to update his
> drawings to conform to the new requirements?
> R
> -----
> Still don't see that anywhere. =A0 Maybe you can point that question out
> someplace in the thread?
Okey dokey. Here you go:
"This is where this group may be able to help. I
have visited the web site:
http://www.dsa.dgs.ca.gov/Code/default.htm
and it gives lots of details of the changes but
most is very irrelevant to my needs. Does anyone
know of documentation that gives the actual
down-to-earth changes in the process since 2002."
See? He left out the question mark after 2002...maybe there's a
shortage where he is.
In any event you're dragging the thread off topic, beat up on somebody
that you don't know, apparently because you know his situation better
than he does.
At least that's the view from the cheap seats. So, if it's not that -
what are you trying to do? Vent?
R
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