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Best railing height for old-fashioned-looking front porch (WAS: Okay to have different window styles?) Sasquatch 10-05-2006
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Posted by Pat on October 5, 2006, 3:21 pm

Glenn wrote:
> Maybe we know more than the locals. I'm 75 and started in
> construction at 18 and I have never seen a 24" rail

You haven't seen a 24" rail. I bet that's exactly what you say after
you trip over it. "Hey, I never saw it".

My suggestion is that you get out a ruler and go measure some railings.
I bet you don't find any 24" ones. But go measure some, that's the
best thing to do.


but as I said
> before, it's your house and if you want it 12" high, it's no skin
> off my butt. We are just telling you what it OUGHT to be. I
> would suggest though that you keep your homeowners insurance paid
> up so when someone trips over the thing, you are covered.
>
> > Just thought I might get more opinions if I broke the
> > question out into its own discussion.
> >
> > I'm kind of surprised people haven't sounded out
> > *AGAINST* the 36" railings. The local architects I've
> > talked to have said that 36" looks too tall for a house
> > that is trying to look old fashioned or traditional.
> > They say it looks like a play pen. They say none of the
> > 100+ year old houses had railings that high unless
> > they've since been updated.
> >
> > - John
> >
> > Glenn wrote:
> > > You asked and got answers before. Didn't like them and
> > > want different?


Posted by Kris Krieger on October 5, 2006, 3:01 pm
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> Just thought I might get more opinions if I broke the question out
into
> its own discussion.
>
> I'm kind of surprised people haven't sounded out *AGAINST* the 36"
> railings. The local architects I've talked to have said that 36"
looks
> too tall for a house that is trying to look old fashioned or
> traditional. They say it looks like a play pen. They say none of the
> 100+ year old houses had railings that high unless they've since been
> updated.
>
> - John

Doesn't matter what they say, if there is a code (i.e., law) requiring a
36" rail.

Style is not merely a slavish, unthinking, unadaptive adherence to
something that soemone did 100 or more years ago.

Remember that people were a lot shorter "way back when", so shorter
rails made sense (just visit some of the original historic farm
buildings - they're like tiny little doll-houses...) Ever been on an
accurate replica of an old sailing ship, or on board the Constitution?
Take a look at vintage clothing? And so on? Everything looks to most
of today's people (in North America at least) like it was made for
children.

You have a brain, why are you fretting because a few people are
blithering about what people did 100+ years ago? Did they have 9'
ceilings back then? Did they have MDF? Nylon? Central heating?

How tall is your *front door*? Is it tall enough for today's people or
did you also put in a short door? If the door, windows, storey heights,
and so on, are all scaled to modern standards, a short little railing
will look absurd. And even at all of that, style, schmyle - what
*matters* is the minimum height *required by the code/law*. If you
choose to ignore that, you'll probably not qualify for home insurance
(or have it cancelled if you lie about the height and they come out to
double-check it), *and* you would be liable if somene fell over a
shorter-than-required railing. And no, it does not matter whether the
person is a relative/friend, a pizza delivery guy, or a peeping tom -
hell, even people who were *robbing* places have won lawsuits if they
were injured because of "safty hazards".



>
> Glenn wrote:
>> You asked and got answers before. Didn't like them and want
>> different?
>
>


Posted by eds on October 5, 2006, 3:17 pm

> @h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Just thought I might get more opinions if I broke the question out
> into
>> its own discussion.
>>
>> I'm kind of surprised people haven't sounded out *AGAINST* the 36"
>> railings. The local architects I've talked to have said that 36"
> looks
>> too tall for a house that is trying to look old fashioned or
>> traditional. They say it looks like a play pen. They say none of the
>> 100+ year old houses had railings that high unless they've since been
>> updated.
>>
>> - John
>
> Doesn't matter what they say, if there is a code (i.e., law) requiring a
> 36" rail.
>
> Style is not merely a slavish, unthinking, unadaptive adherence to
> something that soemone did 100 or more years ago.
>
> Remember that people were a lot shorter "way back when", so shorter
> rails made sense (just visit some of the original historic farm
> buildings - they're like tiny little doll-houses...) Ever been on an
> accurate replica of an old sailing ship, or on board the Constitution?
> Take a look at vintage clothing? And so on? Everything looks to most
> of today's people (in North America at least) like it was made for
> children.
>
> You have a brain, why are you fretting because a few people are
> blithering about what people did 100+ years ago? Did they have 9'
> ceilings back then? Did they have MDF? Nylon? Central heating?
>
> How tall is your *front door*? Is it tall enough for today's people or
> did you also put in a short door? If the door, windows, storey heights,
> and so on, are all scaled to modern standards, a short little railing
> will look absurd. And even at all of that, style, schmyle - what
> *matters* is the minimum height *required by the code/law*. If you
> choose to ignore that, you'll probably not qualify for home insurance
> (or have it cancelled if you lie about the height and they come out to
> double-check it), *and* you would be liable if somene fell over a
> shorter-than-required railing. And no, it does not matter whether the
> person is a relative/friend, a pizza delivery guy, or a peeping tom -
> hell, even people who were *robbing* places have won lawsuits if they
> were injured because of "safty hazards".
>
>
>
>>
>> Glenn wrote:
>>> You asked and got answers before. Didn't like them and want
>>> different?
>>
>>
>
Gee, my grandpa was 6'2" as was his. The house I owned in Boston(1859) had
11' ceilings on the main floor. Older colonial (pre-revolutionary and pre
central heating) houses were designed to hold the heat in the winter so the
ceilings were often low if there were no servants to keep those fireplaces
going. BTW my 1859 house was built with central heating and inside plumbing
on every floor.
EDS



Posted by Glenn on October 5, 2006, 6:07 pm


. BTW my 1859 house was built
> with central heating and inside plumbing on every floor.
> EDS

You were lucky. The house I was raised in had PATH.

Posted by Kris Krieger on October 5, 2006, 6:56 pm

>
>>
>>> Just thought I might get more opinions if I broke the question out
>> into
>>> its own discussion.
>>>
>>> I'm kind of surprised people haven't sounded out *AGAINST* the 36"
>>> railings. The local architects I've talked to have said that 36"
>> looks
>>> too tall for a house that is trying to look old fashioned or
>>> traditional. They say it looks like a play pen. They say none of
>>> the 100+ year old houses had railings that high unless they've since
>>> been updated.
>>>
>>> - John
>>
>> Doesn't matter what they say, if there is a code (i.e., law)
>> requiring a 36" rail.
>>
>> Style is not merely a slavish, unthinking, unadaptive adherence to
>> something that soemone did 100 or more years ago.
>>
>> Remember that people were a lot shorter "way back when", so shorter
>> rails made sense (just visit some of the original historic farm
>> buildings - they're like tiny little doll-houses...) Ever been on an
>> accurate replica of an old sailing ship, or on board the
>> Constitution? Take a look at vintage clothing? And so on?
>> Everything looks to most of today's people (in North America at
>> least) like it was made for children.
>>
>> You have a brain, why are you fretting because a few people are
>> blithering about what people did 100+ years ago? Did they have 9'
>> ceilings back then? Did they have MDF? Nylon? Central heating?
>>
>> How tall is your *front door*? Is it tall enough for today's people
>> or did you also put in a short door? If the door, windows, storey
>> heights, and so on, are all scaled to modern standards, a short
>> little railing will look absurd. And even at all of that, style,
>> schmyle - what *matters* is the minimum height *required by the
>> code/law*. If you choose to ignore that, you'll probably not qualify
>> for home insurance (or have it cancelled if you lie about the height
>> and they come out to double-check it), *and* you would be liable if
>> somene fell over a shorter-than-required railing. And no, it does
>> not matter whether the person is a relative/friend, a pizza delivery
>> guy, or a peeping tom - hell, even people who were *robbing* places
>> have won lawsuits if they were injured because of "safty hazards".
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Glenn wrote:
>>>> You asked and got answers before. Didn't like them and want
>>>> different?
>>>
>>>
>>
> Gee, my grandpa was 6'2" as was his. The house I owned in Boston(1859)
> had 11' ceilings on the main floor. Older colonial (pre-revolutionary
> and pre central heating) houses were designed to hold the heat in the
> winter so the ceilings were often low if there were no servants to
> keep those fireplaces going. BTW my 1859 house was built with central
> heating and inside plumbing on every floor.
> EDS
>

But generally, few places were that grand - heck, few are even today
<LOL!> 11' ceilings are pretty, well, grand <g!>

But judging from the forts, homesteads, and other old buildings I've
seen, also museum apparel, most people were smaller - not a matter of
genetics, a matter of diet. So if there were old places with low
railings - well, maybe the folks who built those were smaller. In any
event, it seems to be that these days, installing a 24" or even 30"
railing is like begging for someone to get hurt. IMO, it's worse then
no railing, becasue if there is nothing, people are probably nore likely
to be careful. A short rail offers enough of a "delusion of security"
to be dangerous.




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