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Build own house, where to start? Bryan 01-29-2007
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Posted by on February 4, 2007, 4:53 am
I'm familiar with your area. You might make use of the following
sites, but also know that OK does not license home builders nor do
they enforce building codes on them very well. There are a lot of
builders there who don't know what they're doing. While ideally you
should be able to hire a pro when you yourself lack the experience, it
just doesn't work out that ideally in reality. Some of the trades in
OK are licensed but again enforcement is a problem. You will probably
have to have inspections and they will probably be tougher on you as
an owner-builder. Many of the professionals already have paid their
bribes. ;-) You may find odd laws, too, that require an engineering
stamp on plans for a pole barn, but no requirements for a house.
There's very much a good old boy system in OK, too. Hope the
following sites are of help:

http://bahrr.proboards32.com/index.cgi Home building forum
http://www.hadd.com Be sure to check out the state chapters for OK
info. There is a TON of info here on consumer stuff, not much on
building, but it gives u an idea of how to protect yourself.
http://www.jlconline.com construction how to info
http://www.buildingscience.com ditto

I can just about guarantee you that few builders in OK could even
understand the technical info on the two construction info sites. A
tip that's becoming really widely known among people who've had
problems with "professional" builders shoddy construction is to note
how many of them use no window flashing or do the house wrap or brick
wrong. I can also now spot some roof prob's from the road as well as
the aforementioned things. It's not enough for me to think i know how
to build a house, but i can sure see many of these "builders" don't
know how, either. Be sure if you hire it out you hire people who do
know how to do it right.

Also, make sure any contractors are insured and if you can make sure
they post a bond. A common problem is that the guy you pay doesn't
pay his supplier and then the supplier slaps a lien on your new
house. You pay twice, the pro pockets the money.

Good luck.


> I've finally decided to build my own house on an existing lot where my
> current, older, house sits.
> I've never done anything homeowner related before, I've moved into in-laws
> house in Oklahoma City after my military service, and am now ready to
> replace the house with a newer, safer, more energy efficient home.
> So where do I start on permits and such?
> Can I do my own work, with out a license, such as electrical, plumbing, etc?
> I'm on a very tight budget, but know some work has to be done my
> contractors, for me this is foundation, septic & HVAC for sure. I plan on
> building a red iron steel framed house, so I plan on erecting the frame,
> roofing & siding myself. I'm curious since I'm within city limits if I can
> run my own electrical & plumbing. I have the know how, just not
> certified/licensed.
>
> That's for the starting info, I'm sure I'll be full of questions over the
> next months/years!
> Bryan



Posted by Bryan on February 5, 2007, 2:43 am
Thanks for the links, I'll be sure to look into them soon.

I did some quick calling around, starting with the city planning board (I
think, it's real late now) that issues permits. While I was hoping to do a
lot of labor myself to save money here and splurge elsewhere say on granite
countertops, it' seems OKC requires licensed Elec., Plumbing, & HVAC. While
I needed to have each do some work, like connect the fuse box, or install
the septic tank, etc. I wanted to do a lot of rough work myself, apparently
I'm not going to be able to do that.

Now I think my biggest problem will be finding a GC and/or subs that have
experience and will want to work on a steel frame house. I hate just saying
steel framed, because it's not just steel 2x4's, it's red iron framed, for
superior strength vs. stick houses.


> I'm familiar with your area. You might make use of the following
> sites, but also know that OK does not license home builders nor do
> they enforce building codes on them very well. There are a lot of
> builders there who don't know what they're doing. While ideally you
> should be able to hire a pro when you yourself lack the experience, it
> just doesn't work out that ideally in reality. Some of the trades in
> OK are licensed but again enforcement is a problem. You will probably
> have to have inspections and they will probably be tougher on you as
> an owner-builder. Many of the professionals already have paid their
> bribes. ;-) You may find odd laws, too, that require an engineering
> stamp on plans for a pole barn, but no requirements for a house.
> There's very much a good old boy system in OK, too. Hope the
> following sites are of help:
>
> http://bahrr.proboards32.com/index.cgi Home building forum
> http://www.hadd.com Be sure to check out the state chapters for OK
> info. There is a TON of info here on consumer stuff, not much on
> building, but it gives u an idea of how to protect yourself.
> http://www.jlconline.com construction how to info
> http://www.buildingscience.com ditto
>
> I can just about guarantee you that few builders in OK could even
> understand the technical info on the two construction info sites. A
> tip that's becoming really widely known among people who've had
> problems with "professional" builders shoddy construction is to note
> how many of them use no window flashing or do the house wrap or brick
> wrong. I can also now spot some roof prob's from the road as well as
> the aforementioned things. It's not enough for me to think i know how
> to build a house, but i can sure see many of these "builders" don't
> know how, either. Be sure if you hire it out you hire people who do
> know how to do it right.
>
> Also, make sure any contractors are insured and if you can make sure
> they post a bond. A common problem is that the guy you pay doesn't
> pay his supplier and then the supplier slaps a lien on your new
> house. You pay twice, the pro pockets the money.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>> I've finally decided to build my own house on an existing lot where my
>> current, older, house sits.
>> I've never done anything homeowner related before, I've moved into
>> in-laws
>> house in Oklahoma City after my military service, and am now ready to
>> replace the house with a newer, safer, more energy efficient home.
>> So where do I start on permits and such?
>> Can I do my own work, with out a license, such as electrical, plumbing,
>> etc?
>> I'm on a very tight budget, but know some work has to be done my
>> contractors, for me this is foundation, septic & HVAC for sure. I plan on
>> building a red iron steel framed house, so I plan on erecting the frame,
>> roofing & siding myself. I'm curious since I'm within city limits if I
>> can
>> run my own electrical & plumbing. I have the know how, just not
>> certified/licensed.
>>
>> That's for the starting info, I'm sure I'll be full of questions over the
>> next months/years!
>> Bryan
>
>



Posted by HerHusband on February 5, 2007, 11:08 am
> it seems OKC requires licensed Elec., Plumbing, & HVAC.

Bummer, that sucks... May be time to sell the property and move outside
city limits? :)

> my biggest problem will be finding a GC and/or subs that
> have experience and will want to work on a steel frame house.

We had trouble finding ANY sub to do the work we needed. I had originally
planned to hire out our foundation work, thinking it was beyond my
abilities. I wasn't requiring anything extravagant, just a basic 24'x28'
stemwall foundation on mostly leveled ground.

Unfortunately, we wasted over three months trying to find a company who
would do the job. More than half of the companies I contacted didn't answer
their phone (despite multiple attempts) or never returned my calls. Of the
remaining half that actually got back to me, most said my job was either
"too big" or "too small" for them to do. A few promised to take a look, but
never showed up. Only two contractors actually made it out to our site. The
first took my plans and then never returned my calls, the second said they
would do it, but their approach was going to be some half baked lazy
method. If they were planning to cut corners before the job even started, I
decided it would be best not to hire them.

So, with our building season quickly disappearing, and real disappointment
with the "professionals", I ended up building our own concrete forms and
pouring the foundation ourselves. We worked with a small concrete company
that mixed the concrete on-site, and we ended up giving him thousands of
dollars over the next few years with various projects.

Thankfully, when it came time to pour the garage slab, I found a small
concrete company in a nearby small town who not only took our job but they
did an outstanding job. I've recommended them to others, and will
definitely hire them again if we need flatwork done again.

Hopefully you'll have better luck that we did... When you find a good
contractor, give them your repeat business and recommend them to others.

Anthony

Posted by Solar News on February 5, 2007, 6:58 am
> I've finally decided to build my own house on an existing lot where my
> current, older, house sits.
> I've never done anything homeowner related before, I've moved into in-laws
> house in Oklahoma City after my military service, and am now ready to
> replace the house with a newer, safer, more energy efficient home.
> So where do I start on permits and such?
> Can I do my own work, with out a license, such as electrical, plumbing, etc?
> I'm on a very tight budget, but know some work has to be done my
> contractors, for me this is foundation, septic & HVAC for sure. I plan on
> building a red iron steel framed house, so I plan on erecting the frame,
> roofing & siding myself. I'm curious since I'm within city limits if I can
> run my own electrical & plumbing. I have the know how, just not
> certified/licensed.
>
> That's for the starting info, I'm sure I'll be full of questions over the
> next months/years!
> Bryan

Here is an excellent online resource to get you started

Why run all over town, and waste gas?

http://www.reedfirstsource.com/codes/index.asp

I am looking to build soon, and ...I wish you well!

M.L. Gentry

Business URL: http://www.jointhesolution.com/usasolarenergy

Teach others to Go Green with Solar Energy at

http://www.PowUR.com/usasolarenergy.


Posted by on February 11, 2007, 12:51 pm
Hello Bryan,

When I started building my house, I had a ton of questions, too. I
didn't find a lot of advice on the internet, so I decided to publish a
log of my experience for others to benefit from. You can read it by
going to http://www.hallsnet.com/david/house/

Just give the city a call and ask them what work you can do without a
license as an owner/builder. In the area I live in, if you are the
owner of the house, you can basically do any of the work yourself
without a license. Naturally you still have follow the code strictly
and pass the inspections, just as a contractor would.

I did my own electrical installation - the city had no problem with
it.

Good luck with your project - a lot of people will tell you (for a
good reason) not to get in over your head, to be careful, to plan,
etc. - all good advice. However, if you are careful and willing to
call in the help of a pro when you need it, you should be just fine.


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