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Cold weather concrete Daniel Vance 10-10-2006
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Posted by Daniel Vance on October 10, 2006, 1:35 pm
I'm a GC in central oregon. My concrete guy poured out 15 yards yesterday
for the flatwork around a house I'm building. For some darn reason he
didn't think he'd need blankets last night. Needless to say, it got down to
21 degrees last night. I noticed this morning that there were a few areas
that were starting to turn light gray. It looks like the thing is ready to
freeze pop. I've put in a call to his cell saying that we'll need blankets
for tonight.

Basically, if the thing freeze pops and starts spawling, then I'm going to
be in a fight with him on getting paid...and ripping the job out.

Does this seem like he should have to take care of it or am I off base?

-Dan




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Posted by Concrete Is Green on October 16, 2006, 10:44 am

Daniel Vance wrote:
> I'm a GC in central oregon. My concrete guy poured out 15 yards yesterday
> for the flatwork around a house I'm building. For some darn reason he
> didn't think he'd need blankets last night. Needless to say, it got down to
> 21 degrees last night. I noticed this morning that there were a few areas
> that were starting to turn light gray. It looks like the thing is ready to
> freeze pop. I've put in a call to his cell saying that we'll need blankets
> for tonight.
>
> Basically, if the thing freeze pops and starts spawling, then I'm going to
> be in a fight with him on getting paid...and ripping the job out.
>
> Does this seem like he should have to take care of it or am I off base?
>
> -Dan
>
> Dan,
The light grey color could be caused by many factors, and may or may
not be an indiaction of trouble. I would be more concerned with the
question of wether he cured the concrete with a curing material than
the fact that it was not covered on the first night.
Concrete needs to be cured properly to gain strength and durability.
Proper curing involves keeping the concrete temperature above 40
degrees F, and moist, until the design strength is achieved. Concrete
creates heat as it hydrates, and some contractors rely on this to keep
the material from freezing. This doesn't always do the job, and
blankets should be used to keep the concrete warm enough to gain
strength. The curing material keeps moisture in the surface while the
concrete is gaining strength. Concrete that is allowed to dry during
early ages will loose as much as 40% of it's ultimate strength
potential on the surface. When concrete is allowed to dry during
curing, the chemical process changes from Hydration, making concrete,
to carbonation, making chalk. Chalk is weak, porous, and lighter
colored than the same material that is cured properly.
If no curing agent was used, you may have a slab with a surface that
will absorb water and not be strong enough to withstand freeze thaw
cycles. Throw some water on the slab, if it is absorbed quickly, there
is no curing agent there. If the water doesn't soak in, there probably
was a curing agent used.
Regarding blankets, they should be used when temperatures are expected
to drop into the 30's, however, expect them to leave permanent marks on
the surface.
There are admixtures available that allow placement of concrete at
temperatures as low as 20 degrees F without using blankets. They
basically reduce the amount of water available to freeze, treat the
water to lower freezing point, and accellerate the strength gain so
that the concrete rapidly gains enough strength to resist freeze thaw.
> Check with your local ready mix concrete contractor or the local association,
to set up a training session on Cold weather concrete practices. You could also
require ACI Concrete Finisher Certification training for your concrete subs.


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Posted by DanG on October 17, 2006, 12:12 am
Amen, and quite well written.
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>
> Daniel Vance wrote:
>> I'm a GC in central oregon. My concrete guy poured out 15
>> yards yesterday
>> for the flatwork around a house I'm building. For some darn
>> reason he
>> didn't think he'd need blankets last night. Needless to say,
>> it got down to
>> 21 degrees last night. I noticed this morning that there were
>> a few areas
>> that were starting to turn light gray. It looks like the thing
>> is ready to
>> freeze pop. I've put in a call to his cell saying that we'll
>> need blankets
>> for tonight.
>>
>> Basically, if the thing freeze pops and starts spawling, then
>> I'm going to
>> be in a fight with him on getting paid...and ripping the job
>> out.
>>
>> Does this seem like he should have to take care of it or am I
>> off base?
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> Dan,
> The light grey color could be caused by many factors, and may or
> may
> not be an indiaction of trouble. I would be more concerned with
> the
> question of wether he cured the concrete with a curing material
> than
> the fact that it was not covered on the first night.
> Concrete needs to be cured properly to gain strength and
> durability.
> Proper curing involves keeping the concrete temperature above 40
> degrees F, and moist, until the design strength is achieved.
> Concrete
> creates heat as it hydrates, and some contractors rely on this
> to keep
> the material from freezing. This doesn't always do the job, and
> blankets should be used to keep the concrete warm enough to gain
> strength. The curing material keeps moisture in the surface
> while the
> concrete is gaining strength. Concrete that is allowed to dry
> during
> early ages will loose as much as 40% of it's ultimate strength
> potential on the surface. When concrete is allowed to dry
> during
> curing, the chemical process changes from Hydration, making
> concrete,
> to carbonation, making chalk. Chalk is weak, porous, and
> lighter
> colored than the same material that is cured properly.
> If no curing agent was used, you may have a slab with a surface
> that
> will absorb water and not be strong enough to withstand freeze
> thaw
> cycles. Throw some water on the slab, if it is absorbed
> quickly, there
> is no curing agent there. If the water doesn't soak in, there
> probably
> was a curing agent used.
> Regarding blankets, they should be used when temperatures are
> expected
> to drop into the 30's, however, expect them to leave permanent
> marks on
> the surface.
> There are admixtures available that allow placement of concrete
> at
> temperatures as low as 20 degrees F without using blankets.
> They
> basically reduce the amount of water available to freeze, treat
> the
> water to lower freezing point, and accellerate the strength gain
> so
> that the concrete rapidly gains enough strength to resist freeze
> thaw.
>> Check with your local ready mix concrete contractor or the
>> local association, to set up a training session on Cold weather
>> concrete practices. You could also require ACI Concrete
>> Finisher Certification training for your concrete subs.
>
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