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Concrete casting question, part deux Mark 10-14-2006
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Posted by Mark on October 14, 2006, 1:45 pm
Good morning.

This is a follow-up to my original concrete casting question,
detailing what I am actually up to. I would appreciate any
advice you can offer.

Thanks
-Mark

http://www.canleyworks.com/temp/pier_caps/

My "Pisa" block piers need caps!

The standard caps are too small. . .I would need to assemble caps
out of at least seven mitered pieces, which is not the look I want.
So my plan is to pour caps large enough to complete the piers.
My plan is as follows:

1. Build a form. Use masonite or melamine to create a smooth top
surface, and wood or rubber trim to create the beveled edges.
The bevels would actually form a channel where a brick chisel
will be used on the finished product to strike off the outer
two inches or so, creating a broken edge to match the standard caps.
The mould would include bevels on the upper side of the mould as well,
aligned with the bevels on the bottom. This forms the "pinch point"
where the edges will eventually be stuck off.

Should the block be reinforced? Rebar, or screen?

2. Through experimentation, arrive at a color mix that reasonably
approximates the factory-made blocks. A separate color mix would be used
to create the streaks of contrasting color that run through the blocks.

3. Mix the concrete. I plan to use a cement-heavy mix (formula
suggestions?),
and screen the pea gravel to remove aggregate larger than 1/4" or so.
Larger aggregate doesn't look good when the edge is broken off.
Include the coloring in the mix.

4. When the mix is ready, sprinkle the accent color over the concrete and
fold it in. Repeat once or twice. Don't over-mix.

5. Treat mould with release compound (suggestions?). Pour the concrete
into the mould and vibrate the mould with my rotary hammer.

6. Remove finished block from mould. Allow to harden for a week or so,
then chisel off the edges. Install on piers. Celebrate.




Posted by dpb on October 14, 2006, 2:37 pm

Mark wrote:
...
> Should the block be reinforced? Rebar, or screen?

What are the proposed dimensions? What are they sitting on? How much
overhang? Not knowing any of the above, I'd hazard a guess bar is
overkill, a little wire wouldn't hurt, nothing would probably be all
right...

> 2. Through experimentation, arrive at a color mix that reasonably
> approximates the factory-made blocks. A separate color mix would be used
> to create the streaks of contrasting color that run through the blocks.

This _could_ be an extended experiement, but have to admit I have no
experience whatsoever on coloring concrete so will defer other than
anything to do with colors and experimentation can be frustrating w/o
some guidelines to use...

...

> 5. Treat mould with release compound (suggestions?). Pour the concrete
> into the mould and vibrate the mould with my rotary hammer.

See previous thread--at least two had quite good suggestions. Don't
over-vibrate and separate water out excessively.


Posted by DanG on October 15, 2006, 10:23 am
You had shown us examples of super smooth concrete caps earlier.
These are a bit rougher with a split face look on the outside
edges to boot.

Are you just looking for basically a flat top square/rectangle
with fractured look edges about 2" thick? You can go for the
fractured edge as you describe, but I would cast a few extras.
Concrete often doesn't like to break where you intend. You might
consider creating the rough edge in your form work. The other cap
stones you show, do not look slick finished to me; I think if you
cast them on a masonite surface they will be way too smooth to
blend with what you have going. I think I would consider using
an oversized plywood base, create the rough edge with fractured
Styrofoam or eat the edges with a solvent. Cast and vibrate as
described. The squares ( they look like you headed for about
30"x30") are large enough to warrant some hog wire reinforcement.
They are not thick enough for rebar and I don't think 6/6 x 10/10
mesh will help enough. The finish looks like something you could
get by acid etching the formed surfaces and power washing. Your
existing caps don't have the shiny look of cast concrete.
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net



> Good morning.
>
> This is a follow-up to my original concrete casting question,
> detailing what I am actually up to. I would appreciate any
> advice you can offer.
>
> Thanks
> -Mark
>
> http://www.canleyworks.com/temp/pier_caps/
>
> My "Pisa" block piers need caps!
>
> The standard caps are too small. . .I would need to assemble
> caps
> out of at least seven mitered pieces, which is not the look I
> want.
> So my plan is to pour caps large enough to complete the piers.
> My plan is as follows:
>
> 1. Build a form. Use masonite or melamine to create a smooth top
> surface, and wood or rubber trim to create the beveled edges.
> The bevels would actually form a channel where a brick chisel
> will be used on the finished product to strike off the outer
> two inches or so, creating a broken edge to match the standard
> caps.
> The mould would include bevels on the upper side of the mould as
> well,
> aligned with the bevels on the bottom. This forms the "pinch
> point"
> where the edges will eventually be stuck off.
>
> Should the block be reinforced? Rebar, or screen?
>
> 2. Through experimentation, arrive at a color mix that
> reasonably
> approximates the factory-made blocks. A separate color mix would
> be used
> to create the streaks of contrasting color that run through the
> blocks.
>
> 3. Mix the concrete. I plan to use a cement-heavy mix (formula
> suggestions?),
> and screen the pea gravel to remove aggregate larger than 1/4"
> or so.
> Larger aggregate doesn't look good when the edge is broken off.
> Include the coloring in the mix.
>
> 4. When the mix is ready, sprinkle the accent color over the
> concrete and
> fold it in. Repeat once or twice. Don't over-mix.
>
> 5. Treat mould with release compound (suggestions?). Pour the
> concrete
> into the mould and vibrate the mould with my rotary hammer.
>
> 6. Remove finished block from mould. Allow to harden for a week
> or so,
> then chisel off the edges. Install on piers. Celebrate.
>
>
>



Posted by Mark on October 15, 2006, 2:19 pm
> You had shown us examples of super smooth concrete caps earlier. These are
> a bit rougher with a split face look on the outside edges to boot.

Yep. I was curious about the glassy-smooth caps and I wanted
to know how they were made. But they are different from
the look that I need.


> Are you just looking for basically a flat top square/rectangle with
> fractured look edges about 2" thick?

The finished caps that I require would be 23" x 30" x 3"
thick, with a bevel and a fractured edge all around.
The commercially-available blocks are cast with two blocks
face-to-face and a channel down the center where you use a
chisel to split them into two. This creates two blocks,
each with a fractured edge and a bevel.


> The finish looks like something you could get by acid etching the formed
> surfaces and power washing. Your existing caps don't have the shiny look
> of cast concrete.

You are correct. The top surfaces are level, although some exhibit
a very slight crown when checked with my carpenter's square.
So you think I could cast and vibrate them, then acid etch the
cast surface to get the slightly pitted texture of the factory blocks?

Thanks
-Mark



Posted by DanG on October 15, 2006, 4:49 pm
I wasn't going to go into the methods of getting a controlled
broken face, but you already are using most of it.

You will probably need at least 6" extra to break off and throw
away on all four sides. If you truly want a bevel, tack down
chamfer strip to establish the bevel at all four finish
dimensions. Form and pour, at 3" you can probably eliminate the
reinforcement, or use the hog wire making sure it does not extend
into or close to your fracture planes. I would still cast the
units upside down. Run an edger or jointer at your fracture
lines. Use a fairly deep finned edger/jointer. The edges should
break off cleanly from the bevel of the chamfer strip to the
jointer track.

Yes, I still think your cap stones look acid washed. There is a
retarder that can be painted onto forms that will keep the
concrete soft just at the surface allowing water and brush
cleaning after stripping the forms. One I have used is by Sika
called Rugasol. See here:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rugasol&btnG=Google+Search>

______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net



>> You had shown us examples of super smooth concrete caps
>> earlier. These are a bit rougher with a split face look on the
>> outside edges to boot.
>
> Yep. I was curious about the glassy-smooth caps and I wanted
> to know how they were made. But they are different from
> the look that I need.
>
>
>> Are you just looking for basically a flat top square/rectangle
>> with fractured look edges about 2" thick?
>
> The finished caps that I require would be 23" x 30" x 3"
> thick, with a bevel and a fractured edge all around.
> The commercially-available blocks are cast with two blocks
> face-to-face and a channel down the center where you use a
> chisel to split them into two. This creates two blocks,
> each with a fractured edge and a bevel.
>
>
>> The finish looks like something you could get by acid etching
>> the formed surfaces and power washing. Your existing caps
>> don't have the shiny look of cast concrete.
>
> You are correct. The top surfaces are level, although some
> exhibit
> a very slight crown when checked with my carpenter's square.
> So you think I could cast and vibrate them, then acid etch the
> cast surface to get the slightly pitted texture of the factory
> blocks?
>
> Thanks
> -Mark
>
>



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