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Concrete garage base James 08-11-2006
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Posted by shazzbat on August 11, 2006, 11:31 am

>>
>> I don't mind doing the hard work as I'm trying to get fitter anyway!


You're not going to get fit, you're just going to get knackered. I would
split it lengthwise, ie do one lot of 2m x 4m, then do the other lot when
it's set/when your back isn't hurting so much.

And don't forget your estimates of time to do the job are going to be way
out because of all the messing about with shuttering, haven't got enough
nails, now the hosepipe's leaking, can't find a washer for it, now the
wife's saying the video won't record, your neighbour comes round to borrow
something you can't find, the cat has been sick, etc etc, the list is
endless.

Steve



Posted by James on August 11, 2006, 3:46 pm

>
>>>
>>> I don't mind doing the hard work as I'm trying to get fitter anyway!
>
>
> You're not going to get fit, you're just going to get knackered. I would
> split it lengthwise, ie do one lot of 2m x 4m, then do the other lot when
> it's set/when your back isn't hurting so much.

This is what my question really comes down to - will it crack if I do it in
strips? Do I have to wait for the strips to completely go off before putting
another one next to it?

>
> And don't forget your estimates of time to do the job are going to be way
> out because of all the messing about with shuttering, haven't got enough
> nails, now the hosepipe's leaking, can't find a washer for it, now the
> wife's saying the video won't record, your neighbour comes round to borrow
> something you can't find, the cat has been sick, etc etc, the list is
> endless.

lol. I'll build in contingency time then!

>
> Steve
>



Posted by SteveF on August 11, 2006, 8:19 pm

>
>> In a previous post James wrote...
>>> I want to lay a garage base at the bottom of my garden, for my
>>> motorbikes.
>>> It is 25 metres from the road side so delivery of pre-mixed concrete
>>> will be
>>> a problem, or expensive, or both.
>>>
>>
>> Rent a line pump and do the job in one day.
>>
>> Yes, it will be more expensive, but you will get a better result and you
>> will save your back since you won't have to haul 3 cubic meters of sand,
>> gravel and cement by hand.
>>

[snip]

Another option is to rent a gasoline engine powered wheel barrow that in the
US is called a "concrete buggy". It will carry about 1/4 yard and you walk
along behind it as you go from truck to work site.

I did a concrete pad once like you are suggesting. Fifty bags of premixed
concrete (60 lbs each). Empty 2 bags into the mixer, mix, dump into the
wheel barrow, place inside forms and smooth. By myself since the guy I
hired to help didn't feel like showing up. Not the slightest frickin' shred
of a chance I would ever do it again. Hurt like hell for about two weeks.

Rent a buggy, buy the concrete mixed.

Steve.



Posted by PPS on August 11, 2006, 7:55 pm
Talk with your local concrete supplier. Here in the states they have trucks
that employ "hoses" to pump the concrete over (fairly) long distances (don't
know the maximum length.) Be a lot easier than mixing yourself and get a
better set.

>I want to lay a garage base at the bottom of my garden, for my motorbikes.
>It is 25 metres from the road side so delivery of pre-mixed concrete will
>be a problem, or expensive, or both.
>
> I can mix the concrete myself using a cheap to hire mixer but I need some
> advice on the amount to lay in one batch, to avoid cracks.
>
> The slab will be 6m x 4m x .125m = 3 cubic metres.
>
> The mixer spec says it can mix 85 litres in 6 minutes.
>
> Assuming I'm just tipping the concrete straight into the ready prepared
> area, with a bit of tamping and smoothing, I can probably mix and tip
> about 12 loads = 1 cubic metre, in 70 minutes, with possibly 20 mins more
> for actually shovelling all the ingredients into the mixer.
>
> This means I can lay one third of the base in about 1.5 hours.
>
> So, help needed here :- What is the best way to do this?
>
> I'm assuming I can't just lay the whole base over a space of 1.5x3 hours =
> 4.5 hours as the concrete at one end will have started to go off before
> I've finished at the other end?
>
> Should I lay 2 slabs, 2 metres wide each, with a 2 metre gap between them?
> Then, I could wait a few days until they have both gone off then fill in
> the gap with another slab? Will this be prone to cracks between the 3
> separate sections?
>
> Any ideas anyone. All comments and advice greatfully received.....
>
> Cheers
> James
>
>



Posted by Italian on August 12, 2006, 10:34 am
Listen up everyone that is thinking of mixing there own concrete for a
situation such as this. Or anythng over 1 yard

======IT WILL NEVER PAY TO DO IT YOURSELF. HIRE A TRUCK AND OR A
PUMP.======

> Assuming I'm just tipping the concrete straight into the ready prepared
> area, with a bit of tamping and smoothing, I can probably mix and tip about
> 12 loads = 1 cubic metre, in 70 minutes, with possibly 20 mins more for
> actually shovelling all the ingredients into the mixer.
You for got things like roding the concrete to make sure it is at the
right level and if it is not having to go back and move material from
another area or rake it up closer. You forgot bullfloating it to get
the rocks down after its is roded you for got running the edger along
the forms for the first pass....plus much much more this all takes time
and must be done at a certian "set" time in the the process. Mixing and
pouring and mixing and pouring will greatly interupt this process...can
it be done yea sure but how much do you want to do it again when it
fails in a year or so? Look if you want to do it this way do very small
sections at a time and place rebar dowels at the edge of the slab ready
for the next pour. You can drill holes in the form and place the rebar
in these holes the next day take these forms out and pour up to it and
repeat. BTW you dont necessarialy have to do one pour a day you can do
as many as you can just make sure to finish the process with the
previous one first then move on to the next one. Butting slabs together
is not the problem its not tending to the already poured concrete that
is the problem......


if you figure just the materials you are already so close to the cost
of redimix it is not worth the hassel...time is also money......



James wrote:
> I want to lay a garage base at the bottom of my garden, for my motorbikes.
> It is 25 metres from the road side so delivery of pre-mixed concrete will be
> a problem, or expensive, or both.
>
> I can mix the concrete myself using a cheap to hire mixer but I need some
> advice on the amount to lay in one batch, to avoid cracks.
>
> The slab will be 6m x 4m x .125m = 3 cubic metres.
>
> The mixer spec says it can mix 85 litres in 6 minutes.
>
> Assuming I'm just tipping the concrete straight into the ready prepared
> area, with a bit of tamping and smoothing, I can probably mix and tip about
> 12 loads = 1 cubic metre, in 70 minutes, with possibly 20 mins more for
> actually shovelling all the ingredients into the mixer.
>
> This means I can lay one third of the base in about 1.5 hours.
>
> So, help needed here :- What is the best way to do this?
>
> I'm assuming I can't just lay the whole base over a space of 1.5x3 hours =
> 4.5 hours as the concrete at one end will have started to go off before I've
> finished at the other end?
>
> Should I lay 2 slabs, 2 metres wide each, with a 2 metre gap between them?
> Then, I could wait a few days until they have both gone off then fill in the
> gap with another slab? Will this be prone to cracks between the 3 separate
> sections?
>
> Any ideas anyone. All comments and advice greatfully received.....
>
> Cheers
> James


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