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Construction of Concrete Water Storage Tank Ramin.Sh1 01-07-2007
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Posted by Ramin.Sh1 on January 13, 2007, 8:48 am
>
> Ramin,
>         What percentage of your salary (you are obviously doing this research
> as part of your job description) are you going to send to the
> contributor(s) who plaster over your ineptitude?
>         In a quick re-read of this thread you have posted your
> questions/replies like a college freshmen who is late on his homework.
> Too little data, too many vagaries, looking others to present the
> solution, and so on.
>         You are basically asking this NG to better your resume' through no
> action of your own.
>         If your company is well versed in the "traditional methods" of building
> such a tank than there should be SOME individuals within your
> organization who are capable of thinking outside the box and coming up
> with, or have heard of, some new and innovative ways to build such a
> tank. If there arent you should seek new employment as you are
> potentially on a sinking ship.
>         With every reply you continually put another round in the chamber,
> point it at your foot, and pull the trigger. I am glad you are not on my
> payroll.
>
> Mark

Hi Mark
Actually I am not a college freshman, the fact is that I am not a civil
engineer or anything like it. It's not a part of my job to do this kind
of research, btu I have my own intentions doing it.
If you know the answer to a question, it's your choice to tell it or
not. But when you give such an answer to a question, it's just wasting
yours and others time .


Posted by Bob Morrison on January 15, 2007, 10:29 am
In a previous post Ramin.Sh1 wrote...
> It's not a part of my job to do this kind
> of research, btu I have my own intentions doing it.
>

Your "intentions" would help us understand why you want to know this
information. Then again, you could talk to an engineer who is well versed
in water tank construction methods.

Posting this kind of open ended question to a newsgroup without any
reasons as to why is bound to get you flamed (as you found out).

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Bobk207 on January 15, 2007, 12:24 pm

Ramin.Sh1 wrote:
> >
> > Ramin,
> >         What percentage of your salary (you are obviously doing this research
> > as part of your job description) are you going to send to the
> > contributor(s) who plaster over your ineptitude?
> >         In a quick re-read of this thread you have posted your
> > questions/replies like a college freshmen who is late on his homework.
> > Too little data, too many vagaries, looking others to present the
> > solution, and so on.
> >         You are basically asking this NG to better your resume' through no
> > action of your own.
> >         If your company is well versed in the "traditional methods" of building
> > such a tank than there should be SOME individuals within your
> > organization who are capable of thinking outside the box and coming up
> > with, or have heard of, some new and innovative ways to build such a
> > tank. If there arent you should seek new employment as you are
> > potentially on a sinking ship.
> >         With every reply you continually put another round in the chamber,
> > point it at your foot, and pull the trigger. I am glad you are not on my
> > payroll.
> >
> > Mark
>
> Hi Mark
> Actually I am not a college freshman, the fact is that I am not a civil
> engineer or anything like it. It's not a part of my job to do this kind
> of research, btu I have my own intentions doing it.
> If you know the answer to a question, it's your choice to tell it or
> not. But when you give such an answer to a question, it's just wasting
> yours and others time .



>>>>btu I have my own intentions doing it.
If you know the answer to a question, it's your choice to tell it or
not. <<<<<<

The etiquette of newsgroups is to give as much background information
as possible so as to make answering as easy as possible. Poorly posed
questions (or worse, continually changing questions / situations) are
not well received.

Perhaps if you had revealed "your intentions", the replies you received
might have been more useful

The reply that Mark posted might not be a waste of time......it is only
a waste of time if you fail to learn from it.

>>>> you have posted your questions / replies like a college freshmen who is
late on his homework. Too little data, too many vagaries, looking others to
present the solution, and so on.<<<<<

Mark may have posted this in HIS reply but I can assure that many
others had the same reaction, they chose not to post ANY
reply,............ your posting style lost you the opportunity to
learn from them

Actually if you learn from Mark's modest flame, you might in the future
be able to get value from a newsgroup.

But even if you failed to learn anything from this thread perhaps
others might.

cheers
Bob


Posted by Ramin.Sh1 on January 17, 2007, 7:33 am
Bobk207 =E4=E6=D4=CA=E5 =C7=D3=CA:

>
> >>>>btu I have my own intentions doing it.
> If you know the answer to a question, it's your choice to tell it or
> not. <<<<<<
>
> The etiquette of newsgroups is to give as much background information
> as possible so as to make answering as easy as possible. Poorly posed
> questions (or worse, continually changing questions / situations) are
> not well received.
>
> Perhaps if you had revealed "your intentions", the replies you received
> might have been more useful
>
> The reply that Mark posted might not be a waste of time......it is only
> a waste of time if you fail to learn from it.
>
> >>>> you have posted your questions / replies like a college freshmen who=
is late on his homework. Too little data, too many vagaries, looking othe=
rs to present the solution, and so on.<<<<<
>
> Mark may have posted this in HIS reply but I can assure that many
> others had the same reaction, they chose not to post ANY
> reply,............ your posting style lost you the opportunity to
> learn from them
>
> Actually if you learn from Mark's modest flame, you might in the future
> be able to get value from a newsgroup.
>
> But even if you failed to learn anything from this thread perhaps
> others might.
>
> cheers
> Bob

I believe when you want to answer someone's question, you don't need to
know his "intentions", you need to know his question. I think my
question is clear and what I need is obvious: "the fastest method
between different
construction methods of such a tank". With a bit of logic you can
understand that I want to know about different methods of cunstructing
the tank in order to find out the fastest method.
When you don't want or you are not able to answer somone's question,
it's a complete waste of time while you know the meaning of his
question but you just like to accuse him that your question is badly
asked -instead of correctiong the question- , . Actually it's not only
waste of time, it's a sick behaviour.


Posted by Bobk207 on January 18, 2007, 1:51 pm

Ramin.Sh1 wrote:
> Bobk207 =E4=E6=D4=CA=E5 =C7=D3=CA:
>
> >
> > >>>>btu I have my own intentions doing it.
> > If you know the answer to a question, it's your choice to tell it or
> > not. <<<<<<
> >
> > The etiquette of newsgroups is to give as much background information
> > as possible so as to make answering as easy as possible. Poorly posed
> > questions (or worse, continually changing questions / situations) are
> > not well received.
> >
> > Perhaps if you had revealed "your intentions", the replies you received
> > might have been more useful
> >
> > The reply that Mark posted might not be a waste of time......it is only
> > a waste of time if you fail to learn from it.
> >
> > >>>> you have posted your questions / replies like a college freshmen w=
ho is late on his homework. Too little data, too many vagaries, looking ot=
hers to present the solution, and so on.<<<<<
> >
> > Mark may have posted this in HIS reply but I can assure that many
> > others had the same reaction, they chose not to post ANY
> > reply,............ your posting style lost you the opportunity to
> > learn from them
> >
> > Actually if you learn from Mark's modest flame, you might in the future
> > be able to get value from a newsgroup.
> >
> > But even if you failed to learn anything from this thread perhaps
> > others might.
> >
> > cheers
> > Bob
>
> I believe when you want to answer someone's question, you don't need to
> know his "intentions", you need to know his question. I think my
> question is clear and what I need is obvious: "the fastest method
> between different
> construction methods of such a tank". With a bit of logic you can
> understand that I want to know about different methods of cunstructing
> the tank in order to find out the fastest method.
> When you don't want or you are not able to answer somone's question,
> it's a complete waste of time while you know the meaning of his
> question but you just like to accuse him that your question is badly
> asked -instead of correctiong the question- , . Actually it's not only
> waste of time, it's a sick behaviour.


Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree


you stated......

"I believe when you want to answer someone's question, you don't need
to
know his "intentions", you need to know his question. "

I disagree, in order to get a good answer to a complex situation one
needs MORE information

"I think my question is clear and what I need is obvious"

Again I'll have to disagree...if your question was clear....you'd have
an answer by now.

The people who frequent this group have MANY YEARS of
experience....the fact that you're getting similar replies points in a
certain direction

The fact that that you "don't get it" why people reading your question
"don't get it", is rather illuminating & food for thought. :)

good luck


cheers
Bob


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