Cost benefits of "going green"

Posted by ZerkonXXXX on November 6, 2009, 9:24 am

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:52:18 -0800, Michael Gordge wrote:

> Rules of "supply and demand", in a free market, the more a product is
> used the cheaper the supply of it gets. Costs of production spread over
> a greater number will always reduce the per unit cost.

What?!? Wrong. Why do gas prices always go up during seasons of high use?

It is supply and demand. Decrease demand (should) equal higher supply
(inventory backlog) therefore cheaper costs (to get rid of inventory). If
high demand depletes supplies, price increases.

If the product is a necessity, all bets are off. There is no "FREE"
market place if one must buy the product.

> If you really want your energy costs to drop then stop insulating your
> homes

I didn't believe it but the rumors are apparently true, you are a put on!
Funny, MG.

Posted by Michael Gordge on November 8, 2009, 6:55 pm

> What?!? Wrong. Why do gas prices always go up during seasons of high use?

Simply because the dopey brain dead leftist retards have so many dopey
regulations that stop and or hinder any competition.

> It is supply and demand. Decrease demand (should) equal higher supply
> (inventory backlog) therefore cheaper costs (to get rid of inventory).

Deal with the facts, the cost of production becomes less when spread
over a greater number of units.

> If
> high demand depletes supplies, price increases.

Yes thats right, however when you have dopey laws and regulations
effectively stopping any and all competition, then in reality you are
handing the current provider all the opportunity he needs to state and
or demand any price he feels.

> If the product is a necessity, all bets are off. There is no "FREE"
> market place if one must buy the product.

Crap, food is a necessity, and again, apart from your dopey mindless
regulations and subsidiess e.g. import restrictions / duties on meat
and dairy products i.e. the poor consumer in the US is being used to
subsidise US farmers and the US government paying US corn farmers
another King's ransom, of stolen money, (tax) to produce corn for fuel
instead of for food, apart from those dopey cronyism laws, the supply
for food is happeing in a free market. Not to mention you can grow
your own.

> I didn't believe it but the rumors are apparently true, you are a put on!
> Funny

No I just deal in facts, the cost of power will reduce when you stop
insulating your homes and use more power, but only if and when you
stop your government engaging in cronyism, - inventing laws to protect
mates of the state.

MG

Posted by John Stafford on November 6, 2009, 4:21 pm

> The increasing cost of energy is a consequence of insulating homes.

Not. The cost of natural gas in my area has dropped.

> Rules of "supply and demand", in a free market, the more a product is
> used the cheaper the supply of it gets. Costs of production spread
> over a greater number will always reduce the per unit cost.

> If you really want your energy costs to drop then stop insulating your
> homes.

Let's all live outdoors and natural gas will become free? What are you
smoking?

Posted by Michael Gordge on November 8, 2009, 7:08 pm

> Let's all live outdoors and natural gas will become free? What are you
> smoking?

Context dropping desperate commie cockhead, fact, the cost of
production per unit reduces as the number of units produced by the
same machine (e.g. a power plant) increases.

If you owned a power supply plant producing a million watts per day
costing $100million to build and costing very little to maintain each
year, but is now producing less and less power per day because people
are insulating their homes, then your cost per unit is going to go up,
you either pass that cost on or go broke.

MG

Posted by Bill on November 7, 2009, 10:30 am

Well I am glad someone other than myself understands these basic economic
things! (And can add!)

I'm forever telling younger people that there will be other costs for the
apartment they are renting or the home they are buying.

That being electric, natural gas, water, trash collection [in my area], etc.

And to factor in these costs when deciding what they can afford! (Also that
finding a well insulated home would be a good idea as the energy costs will
be lower.)

But it goes in one ear and out the other! They get the maximum cost
house/apartment they can pay for (and not well insulated), then don't have
money left over for their bills...

"ta" wrote in message

> "The Actual Costs of Owning a Home are the MONTHLY COSTS, NOT the
> Purchase Price
> Actual Costs = Monthly Costs + Hidden Costs
> It is a misconception that the more we reduce a building's
> environmental footprint, the more money we have to spend. While it is
> true that many "greener" options will require more hard earned
> dollars, the best options will actually save you money from the very
> first month.
> Payback is one way of looking at an energy investment. For example: if
> one spends 30k dollars on a PV solar system, how many months or years
> will it take to make that money back in lower, monthly energy bills?
> There are some serious flaws to using a payback approach:
> 1. Most people finance, which changes the initial purchase price into
> monthly, mortgage payments.
> 2. Monthly, energy bills are always rising and increasingly unstable
> making future calculations only a guess.
> 3. Payback does not account for the millions of hidden costs
> associated with nuclear and fossil fuel use and dependency.
> Purchase Price versus Monthly payments
> People buying a home do not really pay the purchase price. Mortgage
> payments + energy/utility payments are the actual costs one pays to
> live in a home. The best investments add only a few dollars to your
> mortgage payment, but will bring your energy bills down by double or
> triple that amount, saving money from the first month of occupancy.
> Forget the earth, invest in yourself.
> The best investment in our climate is always an air-tight,
> continuously-insulated envelope. Secondly, heating/cooling systems
> since they represent the largest portion of monthly, energy costs.
> Money spent in these two areas can increase monthly-mortgage payments
> slightly, but will dramatically reduce monthly-energy bills.
> Financing offers you the ability to own a home. It also offers an
> opportunity to save alot by spending a little.
> The right building envelope and space conditioning investments
> outperform almost any other investments and dramatically reduces
> environmental impact (if you're into that kinda thing).
> Mortgage + Monthly Energy Bills =Actual Cost of Home
> example:
> Conventionally built green home
> $750 + $100 = $850
> Passive Solar, SIP built Green home
> $756 + $42 =
> $798
> This home would have a higher purchase price and mortgage payment, but
> from the first month of occupancy it would be more affordable. It
> would also be more comfortable, better protected from rising energy
> costs, safe in a winter power outage, and would enjoy a probable,
> higher re-sale value with less days on the market. It would also be
> half of the environmental foot-print of the other "green" home."
> http://www.springtimehomes.com/green_building_costs

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