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Posted by M&S on March 23, 2007, 10:34 pm
HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote:
> The reason that Mexicans cross the border and work on what is other
> than an "even playing field" is because of the artificial barrier that
> separates our countries. Until we finally have a global economy in
> which people can travel and work wherever we please, there will always
> be inequities that encourage illegal immigration. When you have two
> separate political systems, they will never be perfectly equal
> systems, and one side will always want to cross over and take
> advantage of the other, good or bad. And worse, as long as there is
> an artificial barrier that impedes geographical and economic freedom,
> social pressures continue to build that *WILL* eventually be released,
> perhaps quite violently. Mexicans are human beings, just like us.
> The concept of "race" was created by racists, and to distinguish
> between Mexicans and Americans and make generalizations based on that
> distinction is racist. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for a
> complete and immediate dissolution of our country's borders; rather we
> need to gradually work toward a truly global economy and make the
> transition as gracefully as possible. But we need to at least be
> moving in the *DIRECTION* of a pure global economy. In the meantime,
> I assure you, one day, everyone will regret that people like yourself
> have taken the position that you do, just as the vast majority of us
> regret past institutions like slavery and imperialism (or I should say
> *MORE SEVERE* imperialism).
>
> By the way, when our house was being built, the only part of our house
> that was screwed up was the drywall, particularly the tape/mud and the
> texture. The job was awarded to an overpriced "white" guy in a brand
> new truck with fancy graphics who turned out to be a grifter with poor
> skills in the trade. About the same time, a friend of mine hired a
> crew of Mexicans at about 25% of the cost, and his drywall is
> perfect. At this point, if I was a simple-minded racist who forms
> generalizations based on a small number of experiences, I would draw
> the conclusion that Mexicans are superior tradesman. But I prefer to
> turn to my old friends logic, reason, and objectivity, and conclude
> that one can *NOT* make generalizations based on race, ethnicity,
> creed, or culture, but rather make objective decisions based on each
> unique situation's unique circumstances.
>
> Oh, and your clansman's robe is showing underneath your shirt. Tuck
> it in.
>
> - The Happy Humanist
>
>
>>Well I cant really argue with you. Unfortunately you are a part of the
>>growing norm in the US though I dont agree with your position. I have my
>>own position on the subject but with a post like yours it seems like its
>>wasted text to present it.
>>
>>I do know, with one hundred percent clarity, that you or your immediate
>>family will one day come to regret this position you take. Its just a
>>matter of time before it will cut into your immediate comfort circle.
>>
>>I am not a protectionist nor an advocate of border closure by any means.
>>Let them in I say. However as long as they dont operate on a level
>>playing feild with the rest of us, I will guarantee you that your
>>position will negatively affect everyone, including the immagrants, in time.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
>
Happy,
Your assumptions couldnt be farther from correct. Did you read the part
where I said "let them in"? I have been arguing against any form of
immigration reform presented to date as I am well aware they are filling
an important void in this country but unfortunately we have become
reliant, to a point of no going back, on them. This is hurting both us
AND them in the long run. With regards to immigration I am a liberal's
liberal. So your assumption of a robe and cap is shooting you in the
foot. Good work, you blew your big toe off on that shot.
Where the negative affect I spoke of will come is in what we are
currently seeing. The migrant workers "load" on the system to which they
are not contributing a single cent. I say let them stay, bring more in
fact, but let them contribute. By being paid cash dollars they are not
contributing to the health care they consume, the potable water they
consume, the sewerage they consume, the roads they consume, on and on. I
am all for them being here, open the boarders wide. That said, make
everyone who reaps the rewards of the US contribute to the costs of the
goods they consume and enjoy. This is far from the case with todays
migrant workers.
With regards to your global economy, I also agree. We need to create a
trade environment that allows potential immigrants the opportunity to
earn a sustainable and profitable living in their homeland should _they
choose_ to stay. Should they choose to come here, come on in but be
ready to contribute.
That said, you need to put your money where your mouth is and go lobby
the 8 families in Mexico who hold the entire country in a perpetual
state of poverty for their own personal gain and power. It has nothing
to do with much other than that. Dont place all the blame elsewhere. The
US is not its neighbors sole savior. The rulers and the people have to
have some culpability in saving themselves.
The US can not be held accountable to rid Mexico of all its corruption
and hierarchy. Perhaps another revolution is in order?
With regards to Central American countries it is widely agreed that
trade tariffs need to come down to allow the residents of these
countries to earn an honest and profitable living within their own
borders should they desire to stay. This is far from complete but it
seems the initial stages are in effect. Vote.
As for now, people like you, who argue to blindly reward those who
cheat the system simply exacerbate the problem as you give the very
people you fight for the false impression that the current wages they
earn are what can be expected for eternity. Wait til' a system is in
place, which it will be, that allows these workers to stay but they have
to pay the 40+ percent tax that we all have to pay weekly. When their 10
dollars an hour cash is cut to 6 and they are subject to IRS audits like
the rest of us I have to wonder if you will see the influx remain at its
current pace.
I applaud the immigrant labor who established themselves here legally
and builds businesses for themselves. I know a framing crew personally
that is owned and operated ABOVE THE TABLE by a Mexican immigrant here
legally. It should be held up as a symbol that it can be done right.
There is no need to cheat and steal from the system that is providing
you with the necessities you need.
People like you who blindly jump to conclusions without probing deeper
and argue for the status quo are the reason we stay in this perpetual mess.
Mark
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