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Posted by KLS on November 23, 2008, 11:40 am
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:24:08 -0600, Jim Redelfs
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>> And he'd laugh at your earlier comment about how sad you
>> think it is that deaf people probably voted?
>If that is how my comment was taken, I apologize. It was NOT directed
>at deaf people.
>>> You are mistaking cynicism for ignorance.
>> No, I'm seeing contempt, not cynicism.
>In that case, again I apologize. I hold no contempt for those doing
>what they like.
Apology accepted; thanks.
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Posted by Don Klipstein on November 23, 2008, 9:55 pm
Redelfs wrote:
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>> Wired doorbells have a transformer which is always on and always
>> using electricity.
>So what? I lose more money each year in coins that have fallen between
>the seats in my car.
>Save the planet? Hardly. If everyone on the grid turned-off their
>doorbell transformer, it wouldn't make ANY difference - not ONE iota -
>in climate change. None. Zippo.
Most doorbell transformers consume a couple watts. Only a few hundred
million amounts to an amount fairly typical for an electric power plant,
at least an only moderately smallish one.
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>> This is yet one more thing in the house which does this like
>> TV, microwave, remote control things, things with clocks,
>> plug-in phones, etc.
>>
>> These things add up...
>So what? Hang one - ONE - load of laundry on a line to dry instead of
>using the clothes dryer and you've compensated for a LIFETIME of such
>minor energy usage.
3 watts for a clock radio, 2 watts for the main cordless phone, 1 watt
for the other cordless phone, 1 watt for the microwave, 1 watt for the DTV
box, 11 watts for the TV, 2 watts for a doorbell... That is 21 watts.
Over 50 years that amounts to 9 megawatt-hours, and I don't have a video
recorder pluggen most of the time, and my computer, printer and monitor
are on a power strip - and I use the switch on that. A household's idling
load from low power constant loads can somewhat easily be 30 watts or
more.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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Posted by Jim Redelfs on November 24, 2008, 9:41 am
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
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> A household's idling load from low power constant loads
> can somewhat easily be 30 watts or more.
At .10/kWh, that amounts to ~$26.30/year.
I can EASILY live with that. If that figure were to triple, I might
CONSIDER eliminating "idling load". (Nice term, BTW)
I would more likely follow my own advice and hang out to dry a few loads
of laundry that would otherwise be dried in the electric clothes dryer.
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Posted by Don Klipstein on November 24, 2008, 8:44 pm
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>> A household's idling load from low power constant loads
>> can somewhat easily be 30 watts or more.
>At .10/kWh, that amounts to ~$26.30/year.
And if I can reduce that by 60-75% or so with 2-3 power strips?
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>I can EASILY live with that. If that figure were to triple, I might
>CONSIDER eliminating "idling load". (Nice term, BTW)
>I would more likely follow my own advice and hang out to dry a few loads
>of laundry that would otherwise be dried in the electric clothes dryer.
Many apartment buildings forbid outdoor clothes drying. If I was
very severely frugal in such places, I would use indoor clotheslines when
temperature and humidity are favorable for such.
Thankfully I have yet to experience having any of my clothes dried in an
electric clothes dryer at age well into the 40's. My experience is that
clothes driers got their heat from natural gas - although in one apartment
building I lived in, with electric stoves as opposed to gas ones, the
driers had a "fuel oil" odor.
Also consider that in the metro areas of NYC, Philadelphia and Chicago,
most residential electricity costs more like 14 cents per KWH. And in the
portion of the Philly area served by what was formerly PECO, during a
defined summer period monthly consumption past 500 or 600 or whatever KWH
gets billed at more like 18 cents per KWH.
(From memory - I did not actually drag into my view my electric bill
for last August. I will do so if my figures from my memory are disputed.)
Getting aggressive against "idling load" can somewhat easily reduce
power consumption by close to 10 KWH per month, plus another 2, maybe even
3 KWH per month during air conditioning season. At 18 cents or even if it
is 16 cents per KWH in most of the Philly area for electricity consumption
past 500-600 KWH per month during air conditioning season, I see a couple
bucks per month in savings. At other times of the year, I see $1.25-$1.50
per month in savings from being aggressive against "phantom load" in/near
Philly, NYC and Chicago.
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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Posted by Jim Redelfs on November 25, 2008, 9:45 am
don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
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>> At .10/kWh, that amounts to ~$26.30/year.
> And if I can reduce that by 60-75% or so with 2-3 power strips?
<ahem> More POWER to you!
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>> think it is that deaf people probably voted?
>If that is how my comment was taken, I apologize. It was NOT directed
>at deaf people.
>>> You are mistaking cynicism for ignorance.
>> No, I'm seeing contempt, not cynicism.
>In that case, again I apologize. I hold no contempt for those doing
>what they like.