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ELBOWS - seal with sealant or duct tape? MNRebecca 10-08-2007
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Posted by Bobk207 on October 11, 2007, 10:29 am
>
> > So, the water rising/gushing out is in fact coming from a joint in a
> > horizontal guttering that was never meant to move water horizontally and in
> > such substantial manner.
>
> I suspect the (essentially) 90 degree angle of the elbow, coupled with
> its narrowness, is a large part of the problem. I thought to myself,
> "What if I found a wider, longer, flexible elbow, so that the heavy
> flow of water didn't have to make such a narrow, tight turn? Maybe I
> could hack off a bit of the downspout and make the turn into the
> horizontal pipe more gradual, less constricted." The fountain effect
> is happening right above the top of the elbow, after all. But crap,
> the downspout is anchored to the house way down low, so low there's no
> room for anything but a 90 degree turn. I'm not crazy about the idea
> of abandoning the use of anchoring (it's a windy area on that side of
> the house)... or of drilling new screw holes higher up (it's REALLY
> windy on that side of the house).

R-

Don't be too hasty to make permanent changes.

Of course I cannot see your installation from here but I doubt that
the elbow alone is all (or even most of the problem)

Any chance of a picture?

I'd put my money on the 40' horizontal run. I mentioned this
earlier but I think it got missed......how much elevation change does
the drain line have over the 40 feet? It needs about 10"......5"
could work but without sufficient, drop the water won't move very
well.

You say the down spout is anchored "way down low" does the land fall
on the way to the lawn?

cheers
Bob



Posted by MNRebecca on October 12, 2007, 12:28 pm

>.how much elevation change does
> the drain line have over the 40 feet? It needs about 10"......5"
> could work but without sufficient, drop the water won't move very
> well.

Um... none. The downspout goes all the way down the wall of the house
and gets anchored to the house about 9 inches above the ground.
There's just enough room to attach a 90 degree elbow, which attaches
to the LONG horizontal 'pipe' (actually several sections of extra
downspout linked together AND making 1 additional 90 degree turn). I
sure see your point.




Posted by willshak on October 12, 2007, 1:01 pm
on 10/12/2007 12:28 PM MNRebecca said the following:
>
>
>> .how much elevation change does
>> the drain line have over the 40 feet? It needs about 10"......5"
>> could work but without sufficient, drop the water won't move very
>> well.
>>
>
> Um... none. The downspout goes all the way down the wall of the house
> and gets anchored to the house about 9 inches above the ground.
> There's just enough room to attach a 90 degree elbow, which attaches
> to the LONG horizontal 'pipe' (actually several sections of extra
> downspout linked together AND making 1 additional 90 degree turn). I
> sure see your point.
>

Not good. Just think how fast, or slow, the rain runs through the
gutter, and the gutter has, or should have, a pitch.
The water in the horizontal section has to be pushed out, more or less,
by the following water, rather than just running out on its own.
Also, the horizontal section is more likely to be clogged by debris
washed down in light rains.



--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Posted by BobK207 on October 12, 2007, 8:52 pm
>
> >.how much elevation change does
> > the drain line have over the 40 feet? It needs about 10"......5"
> > could work but without sufficient, drop the water won't move very
> > well.
>
> Um... none. The downspout goes all the way down the wall of the house
> and gets anchored to the house about 9 inches above the ground.
> There's just enough room to attach a 90 degree elbow, which attaches
> to the LONG horizontal 'pipe' (actually several sections of extra
> downspout linked together AND making 1 additional 90 degree turn). I
> sure see your point.

I think we know all the information we need to diagnos & make
suggestions.

Like I said before you need 10" (more or less ideal) or 5" absolute
minimum to make your gravity feed drain line work. The water that
backs up into the vertical section of the down spount is creating the
prssure to make the system work....but it also causes that errant jet
spray.

So...........

1) seal the joint with aluminum tape (eliminate the jet spray) &
forget about it
or
2) cut the down spout about 10" shorter and give the drain line
section some slope.

either method will work

cheers
Bob


Posted by MNRebecca on October 15, 2007, 10:15 am
Thanks again for all the help, folks!


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