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Evaluating bids for concrete driveway allan230 08-10-2006
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Posted by Italian on August 12, 2006, 10:12 am
First of all I would give the contractor that included the rebar extra
consideration. Yes wire is adequate and meets code but if after you
have removed as much concrete as we have in a lifetime you realize that
wire is slightly better than fiber which is completely useless.
You mentioned sealed what are you refering to? A standard finish slab
(not stamped) would not require a sealant..
Also with todays redi mixes I will gaurantee you will get cracks a savy
contractor will know this and place the joints at a proper depth and
orientation to controll these cracks...but unfortinutally even with the
best effort it still cracks where its not supposed to.
4" should be just fine for where you are we allways make the perimiter
a little thicker usually about 3" just for insurance.

Neither bid
> mentions much about excavation and sub-grade prep, though it was
> discussed verbally with both contractors.
Um......this being MORE important than anything else in the job I would
get specific clarification on this. The majority of time (labor cost)
is eaten up in this step, forming and pouring is the easy part. The
condition of the existing drive way must be examined befor proceeding.
Being that it is gravel and has been in use for several years is a plus
you have been essentially compacting it for several years now. On the
other hand areas that collect water must be looked at and fixed. One
final note about rebar VS wire mesh..simple test take a piece of rebar
1 foot long and a piece of wire mesh 1 foot long and see which one you
can bend...


allan230@mailinator.com wrote:
> Have obtained 2 bids for an approx 3400 sq ft driveway
>
> Both bids specify 4" of 4000# concrete, finished and sealed, with sawed
> control joints. One bid specifies 6x6 6 ga. wire reinforcement, the
> other specifies 3/8" rebar 3' on center. Would one be preferable to
> the other? Is 4" enough thickness, for a residential driveway? I'm in
> Indiana, so winters almost always have a couple of periods where the
> lows are below zero.
>
> Existing driveway is gravel, depth unknown, about 5-6 years old.
> Getting pretty weedy.
>
> The bids vary a lot, one being $4.60/sq ft the other about $3.10.
>
> Anything else to consider, or ask for clarification on? Neither bid
> mentions much about excavation and sub-grade prep, though it was
> discussed verbally with both contractors.
>
> Allan


Posted by on August 13, 2006, 1:16 pm

Italian wrote:

> You mentioned sealed what are you refering to? A standard finish slab
> (not stamped) would not require a sealant..

"Broom" finish was specified, followed up by "commercial grade sealant"

> 4" should be just fine for where you are we allways make the perimiter
> a little thicker usually about 3" just for insurance.

Meaning, 7" at the perimeter?

Allan


Posted by on August 13, 2006, 1:19 pm
MAny thanks for all the info. I am going to get one more bid before I
decide anything.

Allan


Posted by Concrete Is Green on August 14, 2006, 7:33 am
Allan,
4 inches is standard thickness for residential driveways in Indiana.
As others have stated, it is rare that wire mesh, either roll or mat,
is located properly in the middle of the slab with sufficient cover to
avoid corrosion. I would suggest fibers instead of mesh. The fibers
make the concrete mix more homogenous, and reduce cracking during the
placement and curing of the concrete, so that there are fewer cracks in
the final product. Make sure that the contractor is placing joints no
more than 10 foot apart, and as square as possible, and is placing
expansion material between the driveway and any other structures or
concrete.
Curing is the most neglected and one of the most important steps in
installing a quality concrete driveway. A driveway installed with 4000
psi concrete mix, properly finished but not cured properly, will have a
top surface of 2500 psi concrete that is very porous, and it will be
more likely to have surface defects with freezing and thawing, and
especially with de-icing chemicals.
The Indiana Ready Mixed Concrete Association, (where I work), is a
Non-Profit organization promoting quality ready mixed concrete in
Indiana. We have residential concrete guidelines available for
homebuilders, contractors, and homeowners. You can go to www.irmca.com
to get in touch with us.

Brian


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