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Failed Radiant Floor System vwhite 01-28-2007
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Posted by vwhite on January 28, 2007, 6:09 pm
I am buying a house with an Entran II radiant floor heating system.
This system has a known high catastrophic failure rate. The house is
rastra block exterior construction and a flat roof with no attic. I am
considering removing the tile floors, installing an electric floor
radiant system and retiling.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the practicality of this system or
other ideas on a fix?


Posted by hawgeye on January 28, 2007, 8:54 pm

"vwhite" wrote...
>I am buying a house with an Entran II radiant floor heating system.
> This system has a known high catastrophic failure rate.

Yikes! I hope you are aware of the class action law suit.

> The house is rastra block exterior construction and a flat roof with no
> attic. I am
> considering removing the tile floors, installing an electric floor
> radiant system and retiling.

It's no wonder the house was for sale.

> Does anyone have any thoughts on the practicality of this system or
> other ideas on a fix?

You didn't mention the condition of the rest of the system and how/where the
tubing was installed. Almost any replacement system is going to be
expensive If the boiler or heat source is in good condition and the tubing
is accessible, I'd replace the tubing with PEX.
The electric floor heat isn't very economical to run and has it's own set of
problems.
You should get an engineer to look at the situation.



Posted by vwhite on January 29, 2007, 6:53 pm
The tubing is in about 1200 sq ft of the slab so replacement is not an
option. If and when the product fails I will have to go with forced
air or some other method.

> "vwhite" wrote...
> >I am buying a house with an Entran II radiant floor heating system.
> > This system has a known high catastrophic failure rate.Yikes! I hope you
are aware of the class action law suit.
>
> > The house is rastra block exterior construction and a flat roof with no
> > attic. I am
> > considering removing the tile floors, installing an electric floor
> > radiant system and retiling.It's no wonder the house was for sale.
>
> > Does anyone have any thoughts on the practicality of this system or
> > other ideas on a fix?You didn't mention the condition of the rest of the
system and how/where the
> tubing was installed. Almost any replacement system is going to be
> expensive If the boiler or heat source is in good condition and the tubing
> is accessible, I'd replace the tubing with PEX.
> The electric floor heat isn't very economical to run and has it's own set of
> problems.
> You should get an engineer to look at the situation.


Posted by Dennis on January 30, 2007, 5:50 pm
(Sorry about the double reply.)
I reviewed the class-ction lawsuit and it would appear that all current
owners are eligible for settlement. According to the judge's order,
"deadlines to submit a request to Re-Join the Settlement, exclude yourself
from the Settlement, object to the Settlement, appear at the Approval or
Fees/Expenses Hearing for the Settlement ARE NOW PAST." (This would only
ffect you if the previous owner had filed for settlement.)

The deadline to file a claim is 11/17/09, and you would need to prove that
the hose has failed by that time.

You can find all the details at:
http://www.entraniisettlement.com/ushome.shtml

Good luck.


> The tubing is in about 1200 sq ft of the slab so replacement is not an
> option. If and when the product fails I will have to go with forced
> air or some other method.
>
>> "vwhite" wrote...
>> >I am buying a house with an Entran II radiant floor heating system.
>> > This system has a known high catastrophic failure rate.Yikes! I hope
>> > you are aware of the class action law suit.
>>
>> > The house is rastra block exterior construction and a flat roof with
>> > no
>> > attic. I am
>> > considering removing the tile floors, installing an electric floor
>> > radiant system and retiling.It's no wonder the house was for sale.
>>
>> > Does anyone have any thoughts on the practicality of this system or
>> > other ideas on a fix?You didn't mention the condition of the rest of
>> > the system and how/where the
>> tubing was installed. Almost any replacement system is going to be
>> expensive If the boiler or heat source is in good condition and the
>> tubing
>> is accessible, I'd replace the tubing with PEX.
>> The electric floor heat isn't very economical to run and has it's own set
>> of
>> problems.
>> You should get an engineer to look at the situation.
>



Posted by Alan on January 31, 2007, 11:33 pm
Given the above, the price of the house should obviously be at least
the $10,000 lower to cover the cost of the lost heating system and
probably a lot more if the foundation needs to be repaired. I
wouldn't replace the junk system with an electrical one though. If
the ceilings are high enough, it would be better to build a new
hydronic floor heating system on top of the slab, assuming that's the
type of hydronic installation method there. Come to think of it, it
might be possible to pump some kind of foam into the old hose to turn
it into insulation in the slab. In any case, an electric heating
system won't be what you want--too expensive/too inefficient.


> (Sorry about the double reply.)
> I reviewed the class-ction lawsuit and it would appear that all current
> owners are eligible for settlement. According to the judge's order,
> "deadlines to submit a request to Re-Join the Settlement, exclude yourself
> from the Settlement, object to the Settlement, appear at the Approval or
> Fees/Expenses Hearing for the Settlement ARE NOW PAST." (This would only
> ffect you if the previous owner had filed for settlement.)
>
> The deadline to file a claim is 11/17/09, and you would need to prove that
> the hose has failed by that time.
>
> You can find all the details at:http://www.entraniisettlement.com/ushome.shtml
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> > The tubing is in about 1200 sq ft of the slab so replacement is not an
> > option. If and when the product fails I will have to go with forced
> > air or some other method.
>
> >> "vwhite" wrote...
> >> >I am buying a house with an Entran II radiant floor heating system.
> >> > This system has a known high catastrophic failure rate.Yikes! I hope
> >> > you are aware of the class action law suit.
>
> >> > The house is rastra block exterior construction and a flat roof with
> >> > no
> >> > attic. I am
> >> > considering removing the tile floors, installing an electric floor
> >> > radiant system and retiling.It's no wonder the house was for sale.
>
> >> > Does anyone have any thoughts on the practicality of this system or
> >> > other ideas on a fix?You didn't mention the condition of the rest of
> >> > the system and how/where the
> >> tubing was installed. Almost any replacement system is going to be
> >> expensive If the boiler or heat source is in good condition and the
> >> tubing
> >> is accessible, I'd replace the tubing with PEX.
> >> The electric floor heat isn't very economical to run and has it's own set
> >> of
> >> problems.
> >> You should get an engineer to look at the situation.



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