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Floor on joists sinking peternoon 04-22-2007
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Posted by peternoon on April 22, 2007, 7:13 am
I am building a new house and my building inspector warned me that the
floor joists can shrink with time and the floor will sink accordingly.
He says that he has seen vertical gaps of up to 10mm between the
skirting board and the floor a few years after the house was built.

I recently rented a house where I was able to see this. Half way on
the first floor walls there is a gap big enough to pass notepads under
the skirting board from one room to another. Towards the ends of the
walls the gap is minimal.

That the inspector was right is fine but what is the solution while
you are still building the floor?


Posted by marson on April 22, 2007, 7:24 am
> I am building a new house and my building inspector warned me that the
> floor joists can shrink with time and the floor will sink accordingly.
> He says that he has seen vertical gaps of up to 10mm between the
> skirting board and the floor a few years after the house was built.
>
> I recently rented a house where I was able to see this. Half way on
> the first floor walls there is a gap big enough to pass notepads under
> the skirting board from one room to another. Towards the ends of the
> walls the gap is minimal.
>
> That the inspector was right is fine but what is the solution while
> you are still building the floor?

I'm not sure I buy the inspectors opinion. If the joists shrank,
wouldn't everything come down 10 mm? I think it is more likely
shrinkage in the base trim. If it is the joists, the only solution I
can think of is to either use engineered lumber or else somehow be
sure that the wood is kiln dried and that it stays dry before trim
goes on--not really a real world solution. At any rate, this isn't a
big problem. I would just use a base shoe, which is a secondary peice
of trim that can be nailed to the floor. If you are doing it
yourself, you could even hold off on the base shoe through a heating
season or whatever until things have stabilized a bit.


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on April 22, 2007, 7:55 am

>> I am building a new house and my building inspector warned me that the
>> floor joists can shrink with time and the floor will sink accordingly.
>> He says that he has seen vertical gaps of up to 10mm between the
>> skirting board and the floor a few years after the house was built.
>>
>> I recently rented a house where I was able to see this. Half way on
>> the first floor walls there is a gap big enough to pass notepads under
>> the skirting board from one room to another. Towards the ends of the
>> walls the gap is minimal.
>>
>> That the inspector was right is fine but what is the solution while
>> you are still building the floor?
>
> I'm not sure I buy the inspectors opinion. If the joists shrank,
> wouldn't everything come down 10 mm? I think it is more likely
> shrinkage in the base trim. If it is the joists, the only solution I
> can think of is to either use engineered lumber or else somehow be
> sure that the wood is kiln dried and that it stays dry before trim
> goes on--not really a real world solution. At any rate, this isn't a
> big problem. I would just use a base shoe, which is a secondary peice
> of trim that can be nailed to the floor. If you are doing it
> yourself, you could even hold off on the base shoe through a heating
> season or whatever until things have stabilized a bit.

Marson's right. You won't see that much on the first floor of a
balloon-frame or western frame building due to the joist shrinkage (alone).
Something else is at work, though I don't think baseboard shrinkage could
explain it either. Depending on the local climate, much of the normal
shrinkage will occur early in the first heating season, and can often happen
during construction itself, before final finishing.

Always use dry lumber, and keep it as dry as you can while exposed to
minimize shrinkage.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



Posted by on April 22, 2007, 6:12 pm
> I am building a new house and my building inspector warned me that the
> floor joists can shrink with time and the floor will sink accordingly.
> He says that he has seen vertical gaps of up to 10mm between the
> skirting board and the floor a few years after the house was built.
>
> I recently rented a house where I was able to see this. Half way on
> the first floor walls there is a gap big enough to pass notepads under
> the skirting board from one room to another. Towards the ends of the
> walls the gap is minimal.
>
> That the inspector was right is fine but what is the solution while
> you are still building the floor?

First, the condition in the unit you rented seems more likely to be
sagging floor joists, than any thing else.
Materials and their storage seems important to shrinking.
If the wood is 'green' or 'treated' and not given time to dry to local
conditions, it may well change dimension.
T



Posted by Bobk207 on April 23, 2007, 11:04 am
> I am building a new house and my building inspector warned me that the
> floor joists can shrink with time and the floor will sink accordingly.
> He says that he has seen vertical gaps of up to 10mm between the
> skirting board and the floor a few years after the house was built.
>
> I recently rented a house where I was able to see this. Half way on
> the first floor walls there is a gap big enough to pass notepads under
> the skirting board from one room to another. Towards the ends of the
> walls the gap is minimal.
>
> That the inspector was right is fine but what is the solution while
> you are still building the floor?

Floor joists do shrink; from green to final moisture content

In California worst case is about 1/28 of an inch per inch.....so a
2x12 shrinks about 10mm

The problem we get out here is that the building are framed & finished
while framing material is not dry

When the floor joists shrink, you get "wow" in the plywood sheathing
under the stucco layer.....often times this results in a buldge in the
stucco.

Previous advice about engineered members or dry wood is good.

IMO your situation with the base is not joist shrinkage related, joist
shrinkage causes the entire floor system to "get
thinner"....uniformly.

Does every wall exhibit this behavior or are perpendicular tones
different?

cheers
Bob


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