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Footer question Raider Bill 07-24-2007
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Posted by Raider Bill on July 24, 2007, 6:24 pm
In 2 weeks I will be starting the actual build of my ICF house in SE
Tenn. All excavation is done of the drive out basement except for the
footers.
Soil is red clay, no rocks but the clay sure is hard.
House will be 2 floors of ICF 6" block with rebar both ways.

I'm planning on a 12"DX24"W footer.

My question [s] are,

What should my footer depth be?

Would pouring the slab and footers at the same time be benificial? I
like the idea of working on concrete better than rocks or red clay.
Will make the supports easier to attach to.

I've read about wet setting the first course, filling and pouring the
slab to it before continueing up but that seems to be more for the
pros.


Posted by marson on July 24, 2007, 9:05 pm
> In 2 weeks I will be starting the actual build of my ICF house in SE
> Tenn. All excavation is done of the drive out basement except for the
> footers.
> Soil is red clay, no rocks but the clay sure is hard.
> House will be 2 floors of ICF 6" block with rebar both ways.
>
> I'm planning on a 12"DX24"W footer.
>
> My question [s] are,
>
> What should my footer depth be?
>
> Would pouring the slab and footers at the same time be benificial? I
> like the idea of working on concrete better than rocks or red clay.
> Will make the supports easier to attach to.
>
> I've read about wet setting the first course, filling and pouring the
> slab to it before continueing up but that seems to be more for the
> pros.

I would ask locally. I can only tell you how they do it around here.
And, some people will undoubtably tell you how you should hire an
engineering firm to draw up a 40 page set of prints. An any rate,
here's my two cents:

Combining the slab and the footers is done (google "mat slab") though
it isn't typical. I don't like it for several reasons: The main
reason is, in clay, in the event of rain (we get a lot of
thunderstorms around here) , you have a huge mess. We like to pour
our footers virtually immediately after excavating to avoid this. If
you have to fart around with prepping and pouring a slab, you are
extending the window of exposure. Sounds like this may not be a
factor in your case? Also, the footing should be poured on
undisturbed soil, and the slab should be on granular fill. The cold
joint between the wall and the slab seems like a recipe for a leak.
Basically, you are putting this joint right at the top of slab. At
least if this cold joint is below the level of the top of slab, you
have another line of defense. Also, you will need to brace the ICF's
to the inside--if you have your slab there, you will have to drill
into it to.

Our footings are 24" X 8".


Posted by Dennis on July 26, 2007, 5:33 pm
Footing depth is 1 ft. below undisturbed ground surface and below the frost
line (as determined by your local building department.) Also remember to
check as to what seismic zone your in. Zones D0 - D2 will require
reinforcement within the footer and between the footer and slab (also for
stem walls as well).


> In 2 weeks I will be starting the actual build of my ICF house in SE
> Tenn. All excavation is done of the drive out basement except for the
> footers.
> Soil is red clay, no rocks but the clay sure is hard.
> House will be 2 floors of ICF 6" block with rebar both ways.
>
> I'm planning on a 12"DX24"W footer.
>
> My question [s] are,
>
> What should my footer depth be?
>
> Would pouring the slab and footers at the same time be benificial? I
> like the idea of working on concrete better than rocks or red clay.
> Will make the supports easier to attach to.
>
> I've read about wet setting the first course, filling and pouring the
> slab to it before continueing up but that seems to be more for the
> pros.
>
>



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