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Foundation underpinning problem Jeff 11-12-2006
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Posted by Jeff on November 12, 2006, 7:08 pm
Hi,

Half of our basement was dug down about 6 inches more than 30 years
ago. I just pulled down some wall panelling in the dug-out section, and
discovered that there is about a 4 inch gap between the bottom of the
foundation wall and the basement floor. I can clearly see earth fills
this gap.

Here are a couple of photos of the gap:

http://jjlloyd.googlepages.com/basement

The house was built in the 1920s, and the foundation is poured
concrete. The basement floor is poured concrete. The earth is very
sandy, and we do not have a problem with water via the gap. There are
no cracks in the foundation wall, nor are there cracks in the exterior
brick of the house to suggest bad settling. I have only uncovered a
small section of the walls so far.

I've had a couple of contractors in who suggest an expensive "proper"
addition of footings. Another contractor suggested the earth be dug out
several inches past the exterior of the foundation wall, and
back-filled with concrete to make a sort of 1/2 footing. Or I was
considering just filling in a few inches of concrete on the inside to
prevent the earth from spilling inwards. But I don't believe that will
add any structural support.

Do I really need expensive several-feet deep footings with weeping
tile, etc., to replace the earth that hasn't moved much in all this
time?

Any opinions are appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff


Posted by DanG on November 12, 2006, 8:23 pm
You certainly do have an unusual situation. Normal basement walls
would be sitting on a footing, hopefully with a French drain
system on the outside of damp proofed basement walls. It does not
appear that this is what you have.

Perhaps you could do 4' sections at a time. Work out a detail
that would accommodate your interior finish and allow you to
excavate and pour sections of footing in a leap frog fashion. I
am thinking you could perform this work and pour on the inside.
Plasticizer and/or expansive concrete with a vibrator would insure
good bearing for the walls. You would finally end up with a
footing and dirt seal that extended below your present floor. The
cold joints between pours will be natural avenues for water and I
see no good way to waterproof the exterior other than excavation,
but water has apparently no been a problem to date. I am
surprised you do not have any symptoms and I do somewhat agree
that if you have not had a problem, why worry now.

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DanG


> Hi,
>
> Half of our basement was dug down about 6 inches more than 30
> years
> ago. I just pulled down some wall panelling in the dug-out
> section, and
> discovered that there is about a 4 inch gap between the bottom
> of the
> foundation wall and the basement floor. I can clearly see earth
> fills
> this gap.
>
> Here are a couple of photos of the gap:
>
> http://jjlloyd.googlepages.com/basement
>
> The house was built in the 1920s, and the foundation is poured
> concrete. The basement floor is poured concrete. The earth is
> very
> sandy, and we do not have a problem with water via the gap.
> There are
> no cracks in the foundation wall, nor are there cracks in the
> exterior
> brick of the house to suggest bad settling. I have only
> uncovered a
> small section of the walls so far.
>
> I've had a couple of contractors in who suggest an expensive
> "proper"
> addition of footings. Another contractor suggested the earth be
> dug out
> several inches past the exterior of the foundation wall, and
> back-filled with concrete to make a sort of 1/2 footing. Or I
> was
> considering just filling in a few inches of concrete on the
> inside to
> prevent the earth from spilling inwards. But I don't believe
> that will
> add any structural support.
>
> Do I really need expensive several-feet deep footings with
> weeping
> tile, etc., to replace the earth that hasn't moved much in all
> this
> time?
>
> Any opinions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>



Posted by marson on November 12, 2006, 8:58 pm

I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. many old houses don't have
footings and are fine. footings are often overkill (not that I'd ever
build a house without footings) it all depends on the bearing capacity
of the soil, and yours must be fine. what would be the gain of adding
footings? to prevent settling and cracking? but if it hasn't settled
yet, why would it start now?


Don't go adding a second story or something like that though.


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