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Gas vs. total electric Bob Dozier 10-18-2006
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Posted by SteveF on October 19, 2006, 8:54 am

>>
>>> Don't shoot the messenger... What are the pros and cons of
>>> gas heating vs. total electric in new construction in West
>>> Texas? My thinking has been that electric heating is very expensive.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> In terms of operating expense, electric RESISTANCE heating is very
>> expensive. If you are willing to spend money on the front end, a ground
>> source heat pump will generally give the lowest operating costs.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>
> True, more or less, but that wasn't the subject and parameters presented.
> Heat pumps depend on greater difference of temperature for greater
> performance. Not present in past 2 winters in W. Texas.
> If you're going to depend on geothermal subsoil difference temperature,
> might as well put the house underground.
> --
> Jonny
>

What did I miss that the subject was not "Gas heating versus total
electric"?

When I lived in Dallas, "West Texas" was everything west of Fort Worth so I
wouldn't know what the winter would be like where Bob plans to build since
he didn't narrow it down. Amarillo isn't exactly a place where people go in
January to escape the cold.

Not sure what you mean by "Heats pumps depend on greater difference of
temperature for greater performance." If you mean that they work better
when it is colder, that is incorrect. Heat pumps draw heat energy from a
source. 60 degree air has more heat energy than 30 degree air so the heat
pump creates warm air inside with less work when it is 60. As the outside
air gets colder the heat pump works harder and harder until it reaches the
"balance point". Below the balance point, heat pumps have "backup heating"
which means electric resistance. A house I owned previously got the Carrier
heat pump replaced, when it was apart I looked in the air handler and it
looked like a giant toaster. It was replaced with a heat pump and gas
furnace set up so thermostat kicked on the heat pump if it was above 45
degrees outside otherwise it kicked on the gas furnace. Ground source heat
pumps (GSHP) don't have this problem since the source temperature is a
fairly constant mid 50s. And the situation is exactly the same for a heat
pump trying to put heat energy from inside the house into warm air (less
work) versus hot air (more work).

GSHPs are expensive to install but have low operating costs, both in winter
and summer. Another option is a dual system like I had installed.

We'll let Bob price a GSHP versus the cost of burying the entire house.

Steve.












Posted by Kay Lancaster on October 19, 2006, 11:42 am
> Don't shoot the messenger... What are the pros and cons of
> gas heating vs. total electric in new construction in West
> Texas? My thinking has been that electric heating is very expensive.

Have you considered solar radiant or solar to heat pump? Do you have good mass
and/or insulation now?


Posted by sparky on October 22, 2006, 10:41 am

Another angle on the advantage of gas is if you ever go solar or if you
run a generator it will cost you alot less as your loads will be alot
smaller, significantly!


Posted by Raider Bill on October 23, 2006, 8:04 am

sparky wrote:
> Another angle on the advantage of gas is if you ever go solar or if you
> run a generator it will cost you alot less as your loads will be alot
> smaller, significantly!

I'm building in SE tenn. Does anyone havean opinion about heating
cooling there?
What is the big expensie to the geo thermo? Is it the gogging and pipe
layout or the unit it's self?

I'm going woodstove with some kind of heat backup. A/c of course too.


Posted by Paul M. Eldridge on October 23, 2006, 8:54 am
Hi Bill,

Geothermal in these parts tends to be rather pricy ($15,000 CDN and up
is not uncommon) with trenching costs being a large part of the
overall expense. Operating costs are extremely low of course and in
addition to supplying you with space heating and air conditioning, it
can also service domestic hot water needs. Such a system may increase
the value and market appeal of your home as well.

The additional upfront costs can be rolled into your mortgage
(assuming you will have one) and I suspect the cost savings over
alternative space conditioning and domestic hot water systems will
more than offset your additional carrying costs. In an era of rapidly
rising energy costs, you'll also have the peace of mind of knowing you
will be protected from much of this pain.

If a GSHP is more than your budget allows, a high efficiency
air-source heat pump would be my next choice (ideally equipped with a
desuperheater to lower your hot water costs).

Whatever you decide, ensure your new home is well insulated and has
good air sealing; reducing your overall space conditioning needs is
just as important as choosing the right heating and cooling equipment.
And if new appliances are required, look for those that are EnergyStar
rated as they can lower your monthly utility costs considerably (front
load washers in particular).

Congratulations and good luck!

Cheers,
Paul

wrote:

>I'm building in SE tenn. Does anyone havean opinion about heating
>cooling there?
>What is the big expensie to the geo thermo? Is it the gogging and pipe
>layout or the unit it's self?
>
>I'm going woodstove with some kind of heat backup. A/c of course too.


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