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Getting Three Estimates from Contractors Nehmo Sergheyev 05-21-2006
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Posted by RicodJour on May 22, 2006, 6:42 pm
CWatters wrote:
>
> > You met Builder A in the second paragraph. You could have just gone
> > with him then and saved everybody a bunch of trouble.
>
> Yes but would he have given me the same price had he known he was the only
> bidder?

Maybe, maybe not. Seems to me that you're impressed with the guy and
he's earned your respect. If so, why assume that he'd have jacked up
the price if he thought he was the only bidder? Why don't you ask him
and get back to us with his answer?

I think it's fine the way you went around finding a builder and I'm
glad it worked out for you.

R


Posted by on May 23, 2006, 2:37 am
I like to get a feel for any potential clients on the phone to make
sure they really have an interest, and that they aren't just kicking
the tires. If they are kicking the tires, I usually give them a five
minute education on the phone, and a round number for repairs or
maintenance, which is what I specialize in. One of the first things I
do is find out who referred me to them so I can get a feel for what
type of client (by association) they might be for me, and see if we can
be a good fit for their requests.

I do not go to see clients on the weekend unless I am backed up, or
they are in some kind of trouble and need something fast. There is no
reason for me to waste a family day talking to somebody that didn't
think enough of what he or she is getting into to take an hour off work
during the week. Worse, if they have so little respect for your work
ethic and responsibilities, think how they will be later on. Those
folks don't ever think that you had a long tiring week doing your
stuff; they think it is your job to exhaust yourself, and if you aren't
willing to do that some are honestly amazed. Years ago I actually had
some prospective clients tell me that I needed to make a decision on
whether I was a family man or a business man. I now only see past
clients of mine on the weekend at their request, but funny, it doesn't
happen but maybe once a year. No kiddin'!

I have been in business long enough for myself (coming up on 25 years)
that I don't really care much about my fellow contractor's bids. We
are all different people, and we all bid differently. I have built
enough of a clientele over the years that I no longer have to sit
politely across from some pudgy, balding, bespectled accountant in a
golf shirt that is spending more time telling me about his summer "in
the trades" that lets him know "where I'm coming from" than his own
project. I don't spend too much time listening to some frustrated
husband trying to deconstruct my estimate so he can proudly announce to
his spouse how much money they think I am making. My idea of "Let's
make a deal" is "please read the estimate".

I don't care if anyone else is bidding on the job or not. My price is
the same no matter what, and that is probably why I have repeat
business without too many competitive bid situations.

A lot of my best clients are women. They know what they want. They
have a plan. They have a budget. They are usually ready to go. They
don't try to impress me with their 6 week stint as a construction
worker during spring break one year. I don't have to listen to some
nitwit babble on about "man stuff". And best of all, they don't show
off for their spouse by showing them they know how to handle
construction people.

My work is all word of mouth and referral. In almost 25 years, I have
advertised twice, and it got the me the kind of clients I didn't want.
I do all my business on my cell phone so I can be easily reached, and
know almost all of my clients by first name. My phone calls usually
start with "Hey Robert... how's it going? I was wondering if you could
stop by sometime soon and see me about _________________________". <<
fill in the blank>>

Stay in the business long enough and do good work, and your business
and clients will take care of you. Then the bullshit factor goes to
half, you get better jobs with more money in them, and the people know
about your work and don't mind paying for extra if they know they are
getting exactly what they want.

Robert


Posted by Banty on May 23, 2006, 9:57 am
nailshooter41@aol.com says...
>
>I like to get a feel for any potential clients on the phone to make
>sure they really have an interest, and that they aren't just kicking
>the tires. If they are kicking the tires, I usually give them a five
>minute education on the phone, and a round number for repairs or
>maintenance, which is what I specialize in. One of the first things I
>do is find out who referred me to them so I can get a feel for what
>type of client (by association) they might be for me, and see if we can
>be a good fit for their requests.
>
>I do not go to see clients on the weekend unless I am backed up, or
>they are in some kind of trouble and need something fast. There is no
>reason for me to waste a family day talking to somebody that didn't
>think enough of what he or she is getting into to take an hour off work
>during the week. Worse, if they have so little respect for your work
>ethic and responsibilities, think how they will be later on. Those
>folks don't ever think that you had a long tiring week doing your
>stuff; they think it is your job to exhaust yourself, and if you aren't
>willing to do that some are honestly amazed. Years ago I actually had
>some prospective clients tell me that I needed to make a decision on
>whether I was a family man or a business man. I now only see past
>clients of mine on the weekend at their request, but funny, it doesn't
>happen but maybe once a year. No kiddin'!
>
>I have been in business long enough for myself (coming up on 25 years)
>that I don't really care much about my fellow contractor's bids. We
>are all different people, and we all bid differently. I have built
>enough of a clientele over the years that I no longer have to sit
>politely across from some pudgy, balding, bespectled accountant in a
>golf shirt that is spending more time telling me about his summer "in
>the trades" that lets him know "where I'm coming from" than his own
>project. I don't spend too much time listening to some frustrated
>husband trying to deconstruct my estimate so he can proudly announce to
>his spouse how much money they think I am making. My idea of "Let's
>make a deal" is "please read the estimate".

I had one comment to me - "you're putting this man's kids through college - you
want to put your own kid through college".

???!!?

Why wouldn't a GC want to put his kids through college?? What - that's evil or
something?? And isn't it my business to earn enough, or pace out any remod work
correctly, to deal with my own kid's college finances?

>
>I don't care if anyone else is bidding on the job or not. My price is
>the same no matter what, and that is probably why I have repeat
>business without too many competitive bid situations.
>
>A lot of my best clients are women. They know what they want. They
>have a plan. They have a budget. They are usually ready to go. They
>don't try to impress me with their 6 week stint as a construction
>worker during spring break one year. I don't have to listen to some
>nitwit babble on about "man stuff". And best of all, they don't show
>off for their spouse by showing them they know how to handle
>construction people.

Wow - interesting. I'm a woman, and have had good luck with contractors while
most of the folks around me want to swap horror stories with me. I don't have
any. But I've always gone with the contractor who I can communicate with, and
seemed the most on top of the job during the estimate. Mebbe this is why?

>
>My work is all word of mouth and referral. In almost 25 years, I have
>advertised twice, and it got the me the kind of clients I didn't want.
>I do all my business on my cell phone so I can be easily reached, and
>know almost all of my clients by first name. My phone calls usually
>start with "Hey Robert... how's it going? I was wondering if you could
>stop by sometime soon and see me about _________________________". <<
>fill in the blank>>

Yes, I'm on that status with a contractor. Niether he, nor the mason who did an
extensive foundation repair for me last year, are in the phone book (not under
business, anyway). They're both all word of mouth.

Banty


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Posted by M&S on May 25, 2006, 7:39 pm
nailshooter41@aol.com wrote:
> A lot of my best clients are women.

Great post. It all sounds eerily similar to our years in the trade and
Im sure is the same for many. For about the past 10 years we have taken
to boldly suggesting to many husbands that letting their wives do most
of the steering is potentially the wisest thing they could do. Our best
jobs have always been those where the wife manages the job and the
husband just stands back and says "hey, this is her puppy, I just hand
over the cash". Project goes smoother, ideas flow and are received
better, it goes on and on.

A funny example was a second story tear off we did for a couple. The
husband was an engineer and his motto was "the more walls the better".
His reasoning was you can hang things on walls, put desks against them,
shelves on them, and so on. The design had a large second floor
landing/common area that served three bedrooms and a bath. It was a
decent sized space but the design was such that there was really no way
to incorporate the footage into the other rooms. He argued endlessly to
wall off the stairs (which would have made them dark and tunnel like)
because he could hang stuff on that wall. We suggested balustrade with a
nice sitting area, some nice lighting, and such. A bit of a decadent
space. He took the idea like hitting Linda Blair, in the excorcist, with
holy water. His wife fought hard for our option. Over several days their
battle escalated to what seemed like a near divorce! Finally he
furiously gave in. On the last couple days of the project while we were
wrapping up the punch list they had family over for a party. While we
were doing some things in the master bedroom we overheard the guests
ooing and ahhhing over the sitting area and how beautiful it was. We
then heard him say "yes, yes, and can you believe they all wanted to
build a wall here closing in the stairs?" We chuckled as he stuck his
head in the room and snickered.

Mark


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