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Posted by W on May 1, 2009, 11:11 pm
I'm going to install a small pool and a firepit in the back yard, and I am
thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in one of
three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have experience
with these options. My options are:
1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the pool
and the fire pit.
2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the home,
moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the pool
heater.
Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
utility?
Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and the
hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do get
lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
eventually.
Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that the
cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large, and
probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
application.
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W
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Posted by jloomis on May 2, 2009, 12:09 am
Solar heat collector.........
jloomis
> I'm going to install a small pool and a firepit in the back yard, and I am
> thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in one
> of three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have
> experience with these options. My options are:
> 1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the pool
> and the fire pit.
> 2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
> natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the
> home, moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
> 3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the
> pool heater.
> Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
> cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
> Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
> utility?
> Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and
> the hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do
> get lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
> eventually.
> Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that the
> cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large, and
> probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
> How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
> application.
> --
> W
>
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Posted by Rick Samuel on May 2, 2009, 2:46 am
"
> Solar heat collector.........
> jloomis
Works great for water, but I don't want a solar firepit....real fire is the
way to go. <G>
>> I'm going to install a small pool and a firepit in the back yard, and I
>> am thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in
>> one of three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have
>> experience with these options. My options are:
>> 1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the
>> pool and the fire pit.
>> 2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
>> natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the
>> home, moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
>> 3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the
>> pool heater.
>> Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
>> cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
>> Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
>> utility?
>> Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and
>> the hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do
>> get lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
>> eventually.
>> Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that
>> the cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large,
>> and probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
>> How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
>> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
>> application.
>> --
>> W
>
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Posted by fftt on May 2, 2009, 2:28 am
> I'm going to install a small pool and a firepit in the back yard, and I a=
m
> thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in one =
of
> three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have experienc=
e
> with these options. =A0My options are:
> 1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the poo=
l
> and the fire pit.
> 2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
> natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the hom=
e,
> moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
> 3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the p=
ool
> heater.
> Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
> cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
> Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
> utility?
> Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and t=
he
> hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do get
> lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
> eventually.
> Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that th=
e
> cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large, and
> probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
> How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
> application.
> --
> W
>>> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the applic=
ation.<<<<
initial cost? operating cost? life cycle cost?
Pool size? Pool or more like a spa? In ground? Above ground? Heat
year 'round? Or just extend season? Total BTU's burned per season?
How long would the pipe to the heater need to be?
Depending on locale & sun exposure, in ground pools can be reasonable
to heat or amazing energy hogs;
esp if you're going for year 'round usage.
Propane is a VERY expensive fuel compared to available piped natural
gas.
Compressed natural gas would be a lot of hassle & extra equipment.
Just run a gas line, its your cheapest solution but consider solar
with an additional gas heater.
I had an above ground hot tub / spa....... about 8'x8'. In SoCa,l
even in winter, the electric heater could take the spa from "rest
temp" (heater off) to usable temp in a couple hours. Heating an in
ground pool with electricity would be a very expensive effort.
cheers
Bob
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Posted by W on May 2, 2009, 2:51 am
> I'm going to install a small pool and a firepit in the back yard, and I am
> thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in one
> of
> three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have experience
> with these options. My options are:
> 1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the pool
> and the fire pit.
> 2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
> natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the
> home,
> moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
> 3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the
> pool
> heater.
> Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
> cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
> Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
> utility?
> Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and
> the
> hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do get
> lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
> eventually.
> Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that the
> cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large, and
> probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
> How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
> application.
> --
> W
>>> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
>>> application.<<<<
<initial cost? operating cost? life cycle cost?
I'm looking for lowest life cycle cost over a two year period.
<Pool size? Pool or more like a spa? In ground? Above ground? Heat
<year 'round? Or just extend season? Total BTU's burned per season?
<How long would the pipe to the heater need to be?
Pool is 10 x 16...it is an "Endless Pool" which would be installed
partly above ground, and it would be heated year round in California.
A natural gas pipe to the heater would run about 100 feet.
I don't know the number of BTUs required to heat the pool per season.
--
W
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> thinking of using a natural gas / propane heater. I can fuel this in one
> of three ways, and I would appreciate hearing from others who have
> experience with these options. My options are:
> 1) Install a standalone propane tank and use propane to fuel both the pool
> and the fire pit.
> 2) Install a standalone natural gas tank, and then install some kind of
> natural gas refilling station off our natural gas heating line to the
> home, moving over natural gas tanks to the pool area as needed.
> 3) Extend the natural gas line for the home through the backyard to the
> pool heater.
> Option 1) seems to be hassle free, but I gather the downside will be the
> cost? How much more is propane through a propane reseller like Suburban
> Propane going to cost me than natural gas through a typical West Coast
> utility?
> Option 2) has the cost of installing a natural gas resupply station and
> the hassle of manually needing to move tanks over from time to time. I do
> get lower usage costs on the gas, so I make back the fixed up front costs
> eventually.
> Option 3) is low cost and low hassle to use, but I have a feeling that the
> cost to install a natural gas line extension is going to be large, and
> probably the permitting process for that is a huge hassle.
> How would costs of electrical through a utility compare against propane?
> I simply want to pursue the most cost effective strategy for the
> application.
> --
> W
>