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Help with estimate? John E. 01-04-2007
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Posted by John E. on January 4, 2007, 12:44 am
I've been asked to add a shower to a half bath in a business. The toilet,
sink, and shower will share the same wall, the "wet wall". The shower will be
a one-piece shell, placed in one corner of the bathroom, which requires
moving the sink closer to the toilet (and all the plumbing relocation that
entails) and building a stud wall to enclose the shower stall and a 2x6 frame
pedestal to set it on so as to allow plumbing above the slab floor (the drain
is in the wall directly behind the shower location -- lucky me!). Then sheet
rock the stud wall and trim the shower and new wall with FRP.

How long would you expect this to take? My guess is about 10 days, as I'm not
a professional.

But as to charging (just labor -- they will supply a CC for supplies), I
can't charge for all the time it would take me; that wouldn't be fair. How
long would you expect this to take a pro?

If you'd like to just throw out an ball-park $ estimate and/or give an time
estimate and what the going hourly rate is in your area, or any of the above,
it would help me rough up a figure.

Thanks for your help,
--
John English


Posted by Steve B on January 4, 2007, 5:23 am

> I've been asked to add a shower to a half bath in a business. The toilet,
> sink, and shower will share the same wall, the "wet wall". The shower will
> be
> a one-piece shell, placed in one corner of the bathroom, which requires
> moving the sink closer to the toilet (and all the plumbing relocation that
> entails) and building a stud wall to enclose the shower stall and a 2x6
> frame
> pedestal to set it on so as to allow plumbing above the slab floor (the
> drain
> is in the wall directly behind the shower location -- lucky me!). Then
> sheet
> rock the stud wall and trim the shower and new wall with FRP.
>
> How long would you expect this to take? My guess is about 10 days, as I'm
> not
> a professional.
>
> But as to charging (just labor -- they will supply a CC for supplies), I
> can't charge for all the time it would take me; that wouldn't be fair. How
> long would you expect this to take a pro?
>
> If you'd like to just throw out an ball-park $ estimate and/or give an
> time
> estimate and what the going hourly rate is in your area, or any of the
> above,
> it would help me rough up a figure.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> --
> John English
>

Sit down with pad and pencil in a quiet place. Break it down into steps.
Assign a number of hours to each step. Add the cost of the materials and
supplies you will use. Get a grand total. Add 20%.

If you can't do this, you shouldn't be messing with other people's stuff.
If you can't do simple estimation and job analysis, how are you going to
figure out cut lines and basic job math?

Steve



Posted by Kickstart on January 4, 2007, 6:45 am

> I've been asked to add a shower to a half bath in a business.
> How long would you expect this to take? My guess is about 10 days, as I'm
> not
> a professional.
>

> I can't charge for all the time it would take me; that wouldn't be fair.
> How
> long would you expect this to take a pro?
>
> --
> John English
>
Since your not a professional, and you cant say for sure if the job will
even be done right, I think anything over $100 would be too much.
Your advice to them to hire a licensed plumber would save them at least that
much in grief,
Stick to what you do know, cause it aint estimating, probably aint
construction either.
Job should take 2 1/2 days tops
Day 1
Build 2x surround wall and base
Remove all plumbing fixtures necessary - by a real plumber
Set base and walls in place
Plumber plumb drain and water lines set fiberglass shell
Day 2
drywall and finish, paint and trim
Day 2 1/2 or late on day 2
have plumber trim out and test
Clean up your mess

10 days ........ Sheesh

Kickstart



Posted by Colbyt on January 4, 2007, 10:41 pm

> Stick to what you do know, cause it aint estimating, probably aint
> construction either.
> Job should take 2 1/2 days tops
> Day 1
> Build 2x surround wall and base
> Remove all plumbing fixtures necessary - by a real plumber
> Set base and walls in place
> Plumber plumb drain and water lines set fiberglass shell
> Day 2
> drywall and finish, paint and trim
> Day 2 1/2 or late on day 2
> have plumber trim out and test
> Clean up your mess
>
> 10 days ........ Sheesh
>
> Kickstart


Well I would be more inclined to hire someone who has enough sense to know
that you can not properly finish drywall in one day. Two days using setting
mud and proper air circulation I will buy.

The third day to paint. Two coats if you start early and push it. Two days
if you follow label directions. Most hacks can't read.

Every day is a trip and time to travel.

Hacks can do it faster and are usually the low bidder.

Colbyt



Posted by Kickstart on January 5, 2007, 4:07 pm
> Well I would be more inclined to hire someone who has enough sense to know
> that you can not properly finish drywall in one day. Two days using
> setting mud and proper air circulation I will buy.
>
> The third day to paint. Two coats if you start early and push it. Two days
> if you follow label directions. Most hacks can't read.
>
> Every day is a trip and time to travel.
>
> Hacks can do it faster and are usually the low bidder.
>
> Colbyt

And I would not hire someone that can't finish more than 1 sheet of drywall
a day.
Its only 1 sheet of drywall....... you read ... don't you ?
Ever heard of 45 minute or 90 minute mud ?
How much finishing can there be ?
I guess that depends on how much of a mess you make, you know your work
better than I

And yes painting would have to dry .
Skip a day and come back to paint, still only 2 1/2 to 3 day tops, not 10

kickstart .... the overcharging hack



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