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Posted by Scott M. Kozel on March 10, 2009, 9:00 pm
>
>>> A number of articles on the economic situation claim that "natural
>>> population growth" justifies and/or will absorb surplus housing starts
>>> in the current market. In general, housing starts, i.e. new homes on
>>> untouched land, are mostly about population growth, with the
>>> expectation that it will never end.
>>> But, there is nothing "natural" about annual world population growth
>>> of 75,000,000, with U.S. population growth at 3,000,000 per year. If
>>> any other large animal grew its numbers like Man, we'd call it a
>>> plague and send in the troops.
>> Why haven't you yet pulled the noose ??
>
> He wants to pull YOUR noose.
He needs to be the first partaker of what he is proposing ...
He needs to pull HIS noose.
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Posted by Rod Speed on March 9, 2009, 11:04 pm
Enough Already wrote:
> A number of articles on the economic situation claim that
> "natural population growth" justifies and/or will absorb surplus
> housing starts in the current market. In general, housing starts,
> i.e. new homes on untouched land, are mostly about population
> growth, with the expectation that it will never end.
It isnt just about population growth, plenty just upgrade their houses.
> But, there is nothing "natural" about annual world population growth
> of 75,000,000, with U.S. population growth at 3,000,000 per year.
Yes, the population growth in the US is entirely due to immigration now.
> If any other large animal grew its numbers like Man,
> we'd call it a plague and send in the troops.
Wrong.
> Endless growth of any kind (except intelligence) on a FINITE planet is
UNnatural
Wrong.
> and should never be encouraged just to create construction jobs.
It isnt.
> http://enough_already.tripod.com/
> Can one really be a productive member of a consumptive society?
Corse you can.
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Posted by Tadej Brezina on March 11, 2009, 5:40 am
Rod Speed wrote:
> Enough Already wrote:
>
>> A number of articles on the economic situation claim that
>> "natural population growth" justifies and/or will absorb surplus
>> housing starts in the current market. In general, housing starts,
>> i.e. new homes on untouched land, are mostly about population
>> growth, with the expectation that it will never end.
>
> It isnt just about population growth, plenty just upgrade their houses.
>
>> But, there is nothing "natural" about annual world population growth
>> of 75,000,000, with U.S. population growth at 3,000,000 per year.
>
> Yes, the population growth in the US is entirely due to immigration now.
>
>> If any other large animal grew its numbers like Man,
>> we'd call it a plague and send in the troops.
>
> Wrong.
>
>> Endless growth of any kind (except intelligence) on a FINITE planet is
UNnatural
>
> Wrong.
Could you give us an example?
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
--
(PC TUW-FBVV)
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Posted by Rod Speed on March 11, 2009, 1:51 pm
Tadej Brezina wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Enough Already wrote
>>> A number of articles on the economic situation claim that
>>> "natural population growth" justifies and/or will absorb surplus
>>> housing starts in the current market. In general, housing starts,
>>> i.e. new homes on untouched land, are mostly about population
>>> growth, with the expectation that it will never end.
>> It isnt just about population growth, plenty just upgrade their houses.
>>> But, there is nothing "natural" about annual world population growth
>>> of 75,000,000, with U.S. population growth at 3,000,000 per year.
>> Yes, the population growth in the US is entirely due to immigration now.
>>> If any other large animal grew its numbers like Man,
>>> we'd call it a plague and send in the troops.
>> Wrong.
>>> Endless growth of any kind (except intelligence) on a FINITE planet is
UNnatural
>> Wrong.
> Could you give us an example?
There is no endless growth of anything, not even population in the first world
if you take out immigration.
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Posted by Tadej Brezina on March 12, 2009, 4:08 am
Rod Speed wrote:
> Tadej Brezina wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Enough Already wrote
>
>>>> A number of articles on the economic situation claim that
>>>> "natural population growth" justifies and/or will absorb surplus
>>>> housing starts in the current market. In general, housing starts,
>>>> i.e. new homes on untouched land, are mostly about population
>>>> growth, with the expectation that it will never end.
>
>>> It isnt just about population growth, plenty just upgrade their houses.
>
>>>> But, there is nothing "natural" about annual world population growth
>>>> of 75,000,000, with U.S. population growth at 3,000,000 per year.
>
>>> Yes, the population growth in the US is entirely due to immigration now.
>
>>>> If any other large animal grew its numbers like Man,
>>>> we'd call it a plague and send in the troops.
>
>>> Wrong.
>
>>>> Endless growth of any kind (except intelligence) on a FINITE planet is
UNnatural
>
>>> Wrong.
>
>> Could you give us an example?
>
> There is no endless growth of anything, not even population in the first world
if you take out immigration.
You seem to be right. That no material thing can grow endlessly is a no
brainer for the material world. I'm not an astronomer, but they still
seem to argue, how the universe is going to expand further.
Nevertheless the intelligence thing might also be restricted to finite
borders, as e.g. people can't become endlessly intelligent and their
number is also finite, hence the result is finite.
regards
Tadej
--
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
--
(PC TUW-FBVV)
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