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Posted by bent on January 22, 2007, 10:09 pm
I have about 415 sq. ft of bare concrete basement floor that I need to tile.
Some areas do get a little moist at times. I'm saying this in case I am
wrong already. I'm planning on thinsetting directly to it. Haven't even
thought about cleaning, muriatic acid. There are 5 general areas that are
connected throughout by tiles but are spaciated by partition walls, doors,
and/or utilities. Before I get started I know a little about starting in
doorways, etc, and pre-planning the layout. My question is about layout. I
will probably use 12" tiles, not sure how the gap will affect the real space
between as far as exact layout ends up, but I will have to think about where
all the thresholds will be affected by all the others, since all my areas
are connected. I am planning on using all the same tile, no colour or size
differences. Any recommendations on type of tile so far. I will be
thinking cheap, even presentation end of an aisle at HD cheap. I don't know
nothing about the longevity, scratch resistance, etc. of such tiles
I can see all areas by standing in one spot, the max distance (and a full
course passing through one doorway threshold) is about 26 feet, 19 feet in
the perpendicular direction, also a full course passing through one doorway
threshold. There are 2 other, well 2-1/2 other doorway thresholds to worry
about.
MY Question:
After I buy all the tiles, do I physically lay out at least one full course
in all directions? To physically be in all the thresholds, get all the
important variables understood in physical reality. Short of laying down the
whole floor. I don't need to do that do I? I'm just asking. I may want
to, who knows. Never laid a floor. I have screwed a tree though Then I
mark a line to follow!? btw I do have a laser level and tripod I can use to
assist.
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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 23, 2007, 8:13 am
>I have about 415 sq. ft of bare concrete basement floor that I need to
>tile. Some areas do get a little moist at times. I'm saying this in case I
>am wrong already. I'm planning on thinsetting directly to it. Haven't
>even thought about cleaning, muriatic acid. There are 5 general areas that
>are connected throughout by tiles but are spaciated by partition walls,
>doors, and/or utilities. Before I get started I know a little about
>starting in doorways, etc, and pre-planning the layout. My question is
>about layout. I will probably use 12" tiles, not sure how the gap will
>affect the real space between as far as exact layout ends up, but I will
>have to think about where all the thresholds will be affected by all the
>others, since all my areas are connected. I am planning on using all the
>same tile, no colour or size differences. Any recommendations on type of
>tile so far. I will be thinking cheap, even presentation end of an aisle
>at HD cheap. I don't know nothing about the longevity, scratch resistance,
>etc. of such tiles
> I can see all areas by standing in one spot, the max distance (and a full
> course passing through one doorway threshold) is about 26 feet, 19 feet in
> the perpendicular direction, also a full course passing through one
> doorway threshold. There are 2 other, well 2-1/2 other doorway thresholds
> to worry about.
> MY Question:
> After I buy all the tiles, do I physically lay out at least one full
> course in all directions? To physically be in all the thresholds, get all
> the important variables understood in physical reality. Short of laying
> down the whole floor. I don't need to do that do I? I'm just asking. I
> may want to, who knows. Never laid a floor. I have screwed a tree
> though Then I mark a line to follow!? btw I do have a laser level and
> tripod I can use to assist.
The smaller the tile the greater the percentage of grout overall. Grout is
quite porous, tiles much less so. If the floor gets wet smaller tiles will
dry out faster than large ones. They'll also 'handle' a less-than-flat slab
better.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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Posted by DT on January 23, 2007, 12:34 pm
There is a good book called "Setting Tile" by Michael Byrne. It has been in
print for awhile, but all the layout information is as valid as ever. He uses a
few different methods. For small areas he pretty much lays out most of the tile
dry. For larger areas he uses a layout stick, like a horizontal 'story board'.
The book is readily available online. I bought a copy after a recommendation on
this newsgroup, and certainly recommend it myself.
--
Dennis
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Posted by M&S on January 23, 2007, 8:16 pm
bent wrote:
> I have about 415 sq. ft of bare concrete basement floor that I need to tile.
> Some areas do get a little moist at times. I'm saying this in case I am
> wrong already. I'm planning on thinsetting directly to it. Haven't even
> thought about cleaning, muriatic acid. There are 5 general areas that are
> connected throughout by tiles but are spaciated by partition walls, doors,
> and/or utilities. Before I get started I know a little about starting in
> doorways, etc, and pre-planning the layout. My question is about layout. I
> will probably use 12" tiles, not sure how the gap will affect the real space
> between as far as exact layout ends up, but I will have to think about where
> all the thresholds will be affected by all the others, since all my areas
> are connected. I am planning on using all the same tile, no colour or size
> differences. Any recommendations on type of tile so far. I will be
> thinking cheap, even presentation end of an aisle at HD cheap. I don't know
> nothing about the longevity, scratch resistance, etc. of such tiles
>
> I can see all areas by standing in one spot, the max distance (and a full
> course passing through one doorway threshold) is about 26 feet, 19 feet in
> the perpendicular direction, also a full course passing through one doorway
> threshold. There are 2 other, well 2-1/2 other doorway thresholds to worry
> about.
>
> MY Question:
> After I buy all the tiles, do I physically lay out at least one full course
> in all directions? To physically be in all the thresholds, get all the
> important variables understood in physical reality. Short of laying down the
> whole floor. I don't need to do that do I? I'm just asking. I may want
> to, who knows. Never laid a floor. I have screwed a tree though Then I
> mark a line to follow!? btw I do have a laser level and tripod I can use to
> assist.
>
>
>
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Imagining the space you describe, and the experience you state you have,
thinking about the "optimal" layout is ridiculous. If you insist on
laying the floor continuous my input would be to select one or two areas
where you feel layout would be crucial and let the rest of the floor
fall where it falls. With 5 separate areas and the subsequent doorways
you will likely never come up with an "optimal" layout and may spend a
few dozen times as long as it will take to lay the floor trying to come
up with such a layout. One option may be to simplify your work by
installing thresholds at each door location (marble/oak) allowing you to
address each location on its own reducing your work to alignment on a
single axis. Often times with large expanses of tile introducing another
material in the thresholds really compliments the floor and acts as an
eye stopper.
That said it sounds like you have bigger problems in that you state you
have some areas that get wet and have not even addressed cleaning the
substrate and ensuring the tile will actually stick. I would suggest
doing a lot of homework and research before jumping into this one not to
mention dealing with the wet spots first.
Mark
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>tile. Some areas do get a little moist at times. I'm saying this in case I
>am wrong already. I'm planning on thinsetting directly to it. Haven't
>even thought about cleaning, muriatic acid. There are 5 general areas that
>are connected throughout by tiles but are spaciated by partition walls,
>doors, and/or utilities. Before I get started I know a little about
>starting in doorways, etc, and pre-planning the layout. My question is
>about layout. I will probably use 12" tiles, not sure how the gap will
>affect the real space between as far as exact layout ends up, but I will
>have to think about where all the thresholds will be affected by all the
>others, since all my areas are connected. I am planning on using all the
>same tile, no colour or size differences. Any recommendations on type of
>tile so far. I will be thinking cheap, even presentation end of an aisle
>at HD cheap. I don't know nothing about the longevity, scratch resistance,
>etc. of such tiles
> I can see all areas by standing in one spot, the max distance (and a full
> course passing through one doorway threshold) is about 26 feet, 19 feet in
> the perpendicular direction, also a full course passing through one
> doorway threshold. There are 2 other, well 2-1/2 other doorway thresholds
> to worry about.
> MY Question:
> After I buy all the tiles, do I physically lay out at least one full
> course in all directions? To physically be in all the thresholds, get all
> the important variables understood in physical reality. Short of laying
> down the whole floor. I don't need to do that do I? I'm just asking. I
> may want to, who knows. Never laid a floor. I have screwed a tree
> though Then I mark a line to follow!? btw I do have a laser level and
> tripod I can use to assist.