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Insulation and venting Raider Bill 10-24-2008
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Posted by Raider Bill on October 24, 2008, 9:03 am
I'm to the point that I have to insulate on top and close the gables.
I'm getting conflicting sides on where to insulate [ on top of ceiling
or under roof deck]
Wheather or not to vent the attic.
There will be no duct work up there. It will be closed off.

This is a ICF house.

I was thinking of having spray foam applied to the top of the ceiling
sheet rock thus sealing the living space completely like a igloo
cooler.
HAve been reading about not venting the attic area but am concerned
with condensation. Metal roof installed.

I have not covered the gables yet so gable vents will not be a
problem.

So the questions are

1] where do I insulate?

2] vent or no vent


I hope to get back up the middle of this month. Will take me about
5-10 days work then I can get living in this baby!







Posted by jloomis on October 24, 2008, 10:15 am
Proper roof inuslation in some areas of the country is an important factor
concerning condensation.
In our area, the north pacific coastal area, I insulate above the ceiling,
and provide venting at each end in the gable or with a ridge vent and bird
holes in the blocking @ the plate. With the new fire safey regulations this
blocking has been eliminated.....

I have worked on houses where the insulation was installed in each rafter
bay with no venting and the owner complains of a roof leak.....
The roof was not leaking rather condensing and dripping into the room. The
plywood was rotted @ 2' down from the ridge.......
I had to retrofit, provide venting and re-roof.
jloomis
> I'm to the point that I have to insulate on top and close the gables.
> I'm getting conflicting sides on where to insulate [ on top of ceiling
> or under roof deck]
> Wheather or not to vent the attic.
> There will be no duct work up there. It will be closed off.
> This is a ICF house.
> I was thinking of having spray foam applied to the top of the ceiling
> sheet rock thus sealing the living space completely like a igloo
> cooler.
> HAve been reading about not venting the attic area but am concerned
> with condensation. Metal roof installed.
> I have not covered the gables yet so gable vents will not be a
> problem.
> So the questions are
> 1] where do I insulate?
> 2] vent or no vent
> I hope to get back up the middle of this month. Will take me about
> 5-10 days work then I can get living in this baby!
>



Posted by mawillif on September 14, 2009, 10:57 am


mawillif had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/construction/Re-Insulation-and-venting-15475-.htm
:
I am wanting to put fiberglass insulation in my attic myself. I was
originally going to use Kraft Faced Fiberglass Insulation...with the faced
side against the heated ceiling and just placed inbetween the joists.
However, I am really worried about the fire-hazard aspect of using faced
insulation. What does the warning mean exactly when it says to not leave
exposed? Does this mean I have to lay drywall over all the joists to
cover the insulation? Is the benefit of having a vapor barrier worth the
fire hazard risk? Thank you.



Posted by PeterD on September 14, 2009, 5:45 pm


On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:57:10 +0000, mawillif_at_gmail_dot_com@foo.com
(mawillif) wrote:

>suck-o-company spam snipped...

>I am wanting to put fiberglass insulation in my attic myself. I was
>originally going to use Kraft Faced Fiberglass Insulation...with the faced
>side against the heated ceiling and just placed inbetween the joists.
>However, I am really worried about the fire-hazard aspect of using faced
>insulation. What does the warning mean exactly when it says to not leave
>exposed? Does this mean I have to lay drywall over all the joists to
>cover the insulation? Is the benefit of having a vapor barrier

Installing it that way won't give you a vapor barrier. I'd assume you
are saying you have *no* insulation there now, and are going to
install some. Just get non-faced insulation and you should be OK. Or
get foil backed to reflect radiant heat, but as for the concept of a
vapor barrier, that's meaningless at this stage.

>worth the
>fire hazard risk? Thank you.

Posted by jerry on September 15, 2009, 9:43 am


> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:57:10 +0000, mawillif_at_gmail_dot_com@foo.com
> (mawillif) wrote:
>
>>suck-o-company spam snipped...
>
>>I am wanting to put fiberglass insulation in my attic myself. I was
>>originally going to use Kraft Faced Fiberglass Insulation...with the faced
>>side against the heated ceiling and just placed inbetween the joists.
>>However, I am really worried about the fire-hazard aspect of using faced
>>insulation. What does the warning mean exactly when it says to not leave
>>exposed? Does this mean I have to lay drywall over all the joists to
>>cover the insulation? Is the benefit of having a vapor barrier
>
> Installing it that way won't give you a vapor barrier. I'd assume you
> are saying you have *no* insulation there now, and are going to
> install some. Just get non-faced insulation and you should be OK. Or
> get foil backed to reflect radiant heat, but as for the concept of a
> vapor barrier, that's meaningless at this stage.
>
>>worth the
>>fire hazard risk? Thank you.
According to the code here in Oregon the kraft facing MUST go against
the drywall ceiling panel. There's no additional fire risk since the
drywall panel has paper covering anyway. This means, however, that
you have to strip off the kraft insulation facing if you're going to
have any "dropped" ceiling areas (like we had in our kitchen for
soffit lights) The kraft facing can't be hanging out in mid-air or
there might be a fire risk.


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