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Insulation & vapor barrier Jeff Dieterle 07-03-2007
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Posted by Jeff Dieterle on July 3, 2007, 7:34 am
I got a good deal on a type of sheet insulation. The sheets are
4'x9'x2"thick', not rigid like Styrofoam board, and not flimsy like
polystyrene. Not exactly sure what they are except it's some type of foam,
they came in pink and white sheets, to get the varying thicknesses 3/4 or 1
inch sheets are laminated together. They seller had them from 2" all the way
up to 4" thick. With a stack of these on a trailer the top couple sheets
caught the wind and double over in the middle but didn't tear or suffer any
damage. One guy told me he thought that's what's used in semi trailers.
Anyway if somebody is familiar with these what's the "R" value and do I need
a vapor barrier on top of them.
Thanks
Jeff



Posted by PeterD on July 3, 2007, 8:35 am
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 06:34:26 -0500, "Jeff Dieterle"

>I got a good deal on a type of sheet insulation. The sheets are
>4'x9'x2"thick', not rigid like Styrofoam board, and not flimsy like
>polystyrene. Not exactly sure what they are except it's some type of foam,
>they came in pink and white sheets, to get the varying thicknesses 3/4 or 1
>inch sheets are laminated together. They seller had them from 2" all the way
>up to 4" thick. With a stack of these on a trailer the top couple sheets
>caught the wind and double over in the middle but didn't tear or suffer any
>damage. One guy told me he thought that's what's used in semi trailers.
>Anyway if somebody is familiar with these what's the "R" value and do I need
>a vapor barrier on top of them.
>Thanks
>Jeff
>

I'll say this: be very, very careful using something like this as
structural insulation. There are all kinds of nasty problems that can
arrise (fire releasing deadly fumes, fire ratings, off-gasing of
substances, etc.) that can have long reaching, and costly side
effects.

Find who made these sheets and then ask them what they are for. Don't
just stick them up as insulation in your house (or office, or shop, or
whatever) without knowing what they really are and how they are
intended to be used!

Case in point: wrong insulation used in the Station Night Club in RI.
Fire resulted in 100 deaths.

Posted by George on July 3, 2007, 8:53 am
Jeff Dieterle wrote:
> I got a good deal on a type of sheet insulation. The sheets are
> 4'x9'x2"thick', not rigid like Styrofoam board, and not flimsy like
> polystyrene. Not exactly sure what they are except it's some type of foam,
> they came in pink and white sheets, to get the varying thicknesses 3/4 or 1
> inch sheets are laminated together. They seller had them from 2" all the way
> up to 4" thick. With a stack of these on a trailer the top couple sheets
> caught the wind and double over in the middle but didn't tear or suffer any
> damage. One guy told me he thought that's what's used in semi trailers.
> Anyway if somebody is familiar with these what's the "R" value and do I need
> a vapor barrier on top of them.
> Thanks
> Jeff
>
>

If you plan to use this where lives are involved it would really be a
good idea to find out what it is made from and if it is suitable for
that use. Foam that is intended for dwellings is treated to minimize
burning. Flame spread is fast on foam and the gases from burning it are
quite deadly.

Posted by Jeff Dieterle on July 4, 2007, 7:39 am
You can't get this stuff to ignite with a match and have to hold a torch for
a little bit to get it going., then it burns extremely slowly. It is not
permeable as I tried to blow air though it with my compressor. So how do I
go about finding what this stuff is, the seller is no help and I was fishing
around here in case my description struck a note with somebody.


> Jeff Dieterle wrote:
>> I got a good deal on a type of sheet insulation. The sheets are
>> 4'x9'x2"thick', not rigid like Styrofoam board, and not flimsy like
>> polystyrene. Not exactly sure what they are except it's some type of
>> foam, they came in pink and white sheets, to get the varying thicknesses
>> 3/4 or 1 inch sheets are laminated together. They seller had them from 2"
>> all the way up to 4" thick. With a stack of these on a trailer the top
>> couple sheets caught the wind and double over in the middle but didn't
>> tear or suffer any damage. One guy told me he thought that's what's used
>> in semi trailers.
>> Anyway if somebody is familiar with these what's the "R" value and do I
>> need a vapor barrier on top of them.
>> Thanks
>> Jeff
>
> If you plan to use this where lives are involved it would really be a good
> idea to find out what it is made from and if it is suitable for that use.
> Foam that is intended for dwellings is treated to minimize burning. Flame
> spread is fast on foam and the gases from burning it are quite deadly.



Posted by PeterD on July 4, 2007, 9:58 am
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:39:15 -0500, "Jeff Dieterle"

>You can't get this stuff to ignite with a match and have to hold a torch for
>a little bit to get it going., then it burns extremely slowly. It is not
>permeable as I tried to blow air though it with my compressor. So how do I
>go about finding what this stuff is, the seller is no help and I was fishing
>around here in case my description struck a note with somebody.
>

Take a sample to someone who sells/knows insulation and they may be
able to help. Also if you really think it is truck insulation, try a
truck place (larger one) and see if they've seen anything like it.


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