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Lubricant for Glass Sliding door tracks ? James 06-12-2007
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on June 13, 2007, 7:55 pm
Dear Dan,
Please redo your research. Silicon (element) and silicone
(chemical lubricant) are two different things.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.


> Dan Deckert writes:
>
> > Silicon Spray. It doesn't attract dirt and has no chemical
residue.
>
> Silicone.
>
> Just what is in your imagination about this stuff?

It sure beats oil based lubricants such as WD-40 by miles.
Experience alone, living in a desert w/sand/dirt for 20+ yrs.
indicates otherwise.

> It's a type of oil, you know, just not a mineral, animal, or
vegetable oil.
> Certainly it attracts dirt.

Really? An OIL? Then how do you describe/ascribe to the
following? I'm not aware of ANY OIL that will sustain 5905
degrees F to a boil point!

Silicon

Atomic Number: 14


Atomic Weight: 28.0855


Melting Point: 1687 K (1414°C or 2577°F)


Boiling Point: 3538 K (3265°C or 5909°F)


Density: 2.3296 grams per cubic centimeter


Phase at Room Temperature: Solid


Element Classification: Semi-metal






History and Uses:

Silicon was discovered by Jöns Jacob Berzelius, a Swedish
chemist, in 1824 by heating chips of potassium in a silica
container and then carefully washing away the residual
by-products. Silicon is the seventh most abundant element in the
universe and the second most abundant element in the earth's
crust. Today, silicon is produced by heating sand (SiO2) with
carbon to temperatures approaching 2200°C.

Two allotropes of silicon exist at room temperature:
amorphous and crystalline. Amorphous appears as a brown powder
while crystalline silicon has a metallic luster and a grayish
color. Single crystals of crystalline silicon can be grown with a
process known as the Czochralski process. These crystals, when
doped with elements such as boron, gallium, germanium, phosphorus
or arsenic, are used in the manufacture of solid-state electronic
devices, such as transistors, solar cells, rectifiers and
microchips.

Silicon dioxide (SiO2), silicon's most common compound, is
the most abundant compound in the earth's crust. It commonly
takes the form of ordinary sand, but also exists as quartz, rock
crystal, amethyst, agate, flint, jasper and opal. Silicon dioxide
is extensively used in the manufacture of glass and bricks.
Silica gel, a colloidal form of silicon dioxide, easily absorbs
moisture and is used as a desiccant.

Silicon forms other useful compounds. Silicon carbide (SiC)
is nearly as hard as diamond and is used as an abrasive. Sodium
silicate (Na2SiO3), also known as water glass, is used in the
production of soaps, adhesives and as an egg preservative.
Silicon tetrachloride (SiCl4) is used to create smoke screens.
Silicon is also an important ingredient in silicone, a class of
material that is used for such things as lubricants, polishing
agents, electrical insulators and medical implants.



Estimated Crustal Abundance: 2.82×105 milligrams per
kilogram


Estimated Oceanic Abundance: 2.2 milligrams per liter


Number of Stable Isotopes: 3 (View all isotope data)


Ionization Energy: 8.152 eV


Oxidation States: +4, +2, -4


Electron Shell Configuration: 1s2
2s2 2p6
3s2 3p2







And if you don't have any residue of it, then
> what exactly is the point?

Really? and the facts/data are? Residue is the shit you don't
need after applying a product for a particular need. Weird how it
seems to work here in this blowing dirt/sand country.

> Many "silicone" sprays are 99 percent mineral spirits and other
hydrocarbon
> stuff with a whiff of actual silicone oil. That's why it
doesn't attract
> dirt or leave a residue: it just evaporates after making you
feel better.

Well that's certainly strange, even CRC doesn't list their
silicone spray @ 99% mineral spirits & other hydrocarbon
stuff.
http://www.crcind.com.au/catalogue.nsf/(MSDS)/3055%20808%20Silicone%202007/$FILE/MSDS.pdf

It certainly seems strange that you are seemingly opposed to
using silicone spray as a lubricant for a seemingly innocent
purpose of lubricating a sliding patio door.

Much less as leading off with mis-information.............just my
2 cents worth...............

Dan



















Posted by Dan Deckert on June 15, 2007, 2:56 pm
Yep. Shot my fingers off on that one............
Dan

> Dear Dan,
> Please redo your research. Silicon (element) and silicone
> (chemical lubricant) are two different things.
>
> --
>
> Christopher A. Young
> You can't shout down a troll.
> You have to starve them.
> .
>
>
> > Dan Deckert writes:
> >
> > > Silicon Spray. It doesn't attract dirt and has no chemical
> residue.
> >
> > Silicone.
> >
> > Just what is in your imagination about this stuff?
>
> It sure beats oil based lubricants such as WD-40 by miles.
> Experience alone, living in a desert w/sand/dirt for 20+ yrs.
> indicates otherwise.
>
> > It's a type of oil, you know, just not a mineral, animal, or
> vegetable oil.
> > Certainly it attracts dirt.
>
> Really? An OIL? Then how do you describe/ascribe to the
> following? I'm not aware of ANY OIL that will sustain 5905
> degrees F to a boil point!
>
> Silicon
>
> Atomic Number: 14
>
>
> Atomic Weight: 28.0855
>
>
> Melting Point: 1687 K (1414°C or 2577°F)
>
>
> Boiling Point: 3538 K (3265°C or 5909°F)
>
>
> Density: 2.3296 grams per cubic centimeter
>
>
> Phase at Room Temperature: Solid
>
>
> Element Classification: Semi-metal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> History and Uses:
>
> Silicon was discovered by Jöns Jacob Berzelius, a Swedish
> chemist, in 1824 by heating chips of potassium in a silica
> container and then carefully washing away the residual
> by-products. Silicon is the seventh most abundant element in the
> universe and the second most abundant element in the earth's
> crust. Today, silicon is produced by heating sand (SiO2) with
> carbon to temperatures approaching 2200°C.
>
> Two allotropes of silicon exist at room temperature:
> amorphous and crystalline. Amorphous appears as a brown powder
> while crystalline silicon has a metallic luster and a grayish
> color. Single crystals of crystalline silicon can be grown with a
> process known as the Czochralski process. These crystals, when
> doped with elements such as boron, gallium, germanium, phosphorus
> or arsenic, are used in the manufacture of solid-state electronic
> devices, such as transistors, solar cells, rectifiers and
> microchips.
>
> Silicon dioxide (SiO2), silicon's most common compound, is
> the most abundant compound in the earth's crust. It commonly
> takes the form of ordinary sand, but also exists as quartz, rock
> crystal, amethyst, agate, flint, jasper and opal. Silicon dioxide
> is extensively used in the manufacture of glass and bricks.
> Silica gel, a colloidal form of silicon dioxide, easily absorbs
> moisture and is used as a desiccant.
>
> Silicon forms other useful compounds. Silicon carbide (SiC)
> is nearly as hard as diamond and is used as an abrasive. Sodium
> silicate (Na2SiO3), also known as water glass, is used in the
> production of soaps, adhesives and as an egg preservative.
> Silicon tetrachloride (SiCl4) is used to create smoke screens.
> Silicon is also an important ingredient in silicone, a class of
> material that is used for such things as lubricants, polishing
> agents, electrical insulators and medical implants.
>
>
>
> Estimated Crustal Abundance: 2.82×105 milligrams per
> kilogram
>
>
> Estimated Oceanic Abundance: 2.2 milligrams per liter
>
>
> Number of Stable Isotopes: 3 (View all isotope data)
>
>
> Ionization Energy: 8.152 eV
>
>
> Oxidation States: +4, +2, -4
>
>
> Electron Shell Configuration: 1s2
> 2s2 2p6
> 3s2 3p2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And if you don't have any residue of it, then
> > what exactly is the point?
>
> Really? and the facts/data are? Residue is the shit you don't
> need after applying a product for a particular need. Weird how it
> seems to work here in this blowing dirt/sand country.
>
> > Many "silicone" sprays are 99 percent mineral spirits and other
> hydrocarbon
> > stuff with a whiff of actual silicone oil. That's why it
> doesn't attract
> > dirt or leave a residue: it just evaporates after making you
> feel better.
>
> Well that's certainly strange, even CRC doesn't list their
> silicone spray @ 99% mineral spirits & other hydrocarbon
> stuff.
>
http://www.crcind.com.au/catalogue.nsf/(MSDS)/3055%20808%20Silicone%202007/$FILE/MSDS.pdf
>
> It certainly seems strange that you are seemingly opposed to
> using silicone spray as a lubricant for a seemingly innocent
> purpose of lubricating a sliding patio door.
>
> Much less as leading off with mis-information.............just my
> 2 cents worth...............
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Posted by AZ Nomad on June 13, 2007, 8:40 am


>Silicon Spray. It doesn't attract dirt and has no chemical residue. Much the
The problem is that an application is only good for a couple of weeks.


Posted by Dave on June 13, 2007, 12:15 am
> What is a good lubricant for glass sliding door tracks? I suppose I need
> something that will lube the tracks for at least a few weeks, without
> attracting too much dirt and grime to the lubricant itself. I have
> tried
> a soap bar which works well, but only for a week or so.
>
> WD40 works intitially, but doesn't last, and attracts dirt.
>
> Any good ideas ?
>
> Thank you !!
>
>
> James
>
>

Remove the door from the track and frame. Clean the track with liquid soap
and water. Use a toothbrush or similar to get all the debris out.
Lay the door on its side. Place something under it to catch any liquid and
solid debris. Clean with petroleum distillate. Air dry. Lube the wheel
centers with light oil or graphite.
Hang the door. Do similar procedure with screen door if you have one.
Repeat the procedure as needed when door starts sticking again.
If anything is found damaged, replace it. If the door is not adjusted
properly, too low or misaligned, correct it.
Dave



Posted by Eric9822 on June 13, 2007, 12:25 am
> What is a good lubricant for glass sliding door tracks? I suppose I need
> something that will lube the tracks for at least a few weeks, without
> attracting too much dirt and grime to the lubricant itself. I have tried
> a soap bar which works well, but only for a week or so.
>
> WD40 works intitially, but doesn't last, and attracts dirt.
>
> Any good ideas ?
>
> Thank you !!
>
> James

As some other posters have stated, lubricating the track is a band-aid
approach and should be avoided. The rollers need to be replaced and/
or lubricated. Personally I would replace them since the work to
access them for lubrication is the same as accessing them for
replacement. There should be an adjustment at the end of the slider
near the rollers. Adjust the rollers to retract them in so the slider
can be removed from the frame. Once the slider is out remove and
replace or lubricate the rollers. Applying lubricants to the tracks
will just attract more dust and debris which will create gunk that
makes the situation worse. Have fun.


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