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Maintenance free structural metal dpb 08-04-2006
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Posted by dpb on August 4, 2006, 2:20 pm
OK, I know it exists but been unable to find much. Looking for info on
maintenance-free structural metal (other than Al or SS) for
constructing tower to hang bell in front of church. Dark color to
blend w/ red/black/brown brick desired (hence not SS) and preferable to
not require painting or similar maintenance. Am thinking 4x4 square
tubing would be reasonable dimension combing adequate strength as well
as appropriate visual "heft". (Bell weight is uncertain but estimated
at 3000 lb based on data found for similarly sized cast bells.)

What alternatives are available and links to information would be
appreciated...


Posted by RicodJour on August 4, 2006, 2:23 pm
dpb wrote:
> OK, I know it exists but been unable to find much. Looking for info on
> maintenance-free structural metal (other than Al or SS) for
> constructing tower to hang bell in front of church. Dark color to
> blend w/ red/black/brown brick desired (hence not SS) and preferable to
> not require painting or similar maintenance. Am thinking 4x4 square
> tubing would be reasonable dimension combing adequate strength as well
> as appropriate visual "heft". (Bell weight is uncertain but estimated
> at 3000 lb based on data found for similarly sized cast bells.)
>
> What alternatives are available and links to information would be
> appreciated...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor-ten

Cor-ten is steel that rusts on the surface. The rust protects the
underlying material. Guardrails along highways are often made of the
stuff.

R


Posted by dpb on August 4, 2006, 3:24 pm

RicodJour wrote:
> dpb wrote:
> > OK, I know it exists but been unable to find much. Looking for info on
> > maintenance-free structural metal (other than Al or SS) for
> > constructing tower to hang bell in front of church. Dark color to
> > blend w/ red/black/brown brick desired (hence not SS) and preferable to
> > not require painting or similar maintenance. Am thinking 4x4 square
> > tubing would be reasonable dimension combing adequate strength as well
> > as appropriate visual "heft". (Bell weight is uncertain but estimated
> > at 3000 lb based on data found for similarly sized cast bells.)
> >
> > What alternatives are available and links to information would be
> > appreciated...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor-ten
>
> Cor-ten is steel that rusts on the surface. The rust protects the
> underlying material. Guardrails along highways are often made of the
> stuff.
...
Thanks, I "knew" I should know the trade name. But, unfortunately,
seems only comes in plate unless require enough to make a mill run--no
indication of standard structural shapes available routinely (that I
can find, anyway). Don't think we can afford that! :) (The
possibility exists since we're in a relatively dry area to simply use
steel and let it go--it'll last a _long_ time here simply unpainted but
would undoubtedly leave some ugly rust stains on the mounting pads. I
initially thought of just using SS, but in looking at the area where it
would sit I think the bright surface would "stick out" excessively...
:(

I've a call in to local metal dealer, so we'll see what I can learn
there (if anything).

I didn't realize it was an issue to find the stuff in whatever form one
wanted it...

I'll search some more for other high Cu/Ni alloys. I surely thought
there were a variety of materials readily available but don't seem to
find what I thought I would.


Posted by JTMcC on August 4, 2006, 3:50 pm

>
> RicodJour wrote:
>> dpb wrote:
>> > OK, I know it exists but been unable to find much. Looking for info on
>> > maintenance-free structural metal (other than Al or SS) for
>> > constructing tower to hang bell in front of church. Dark color to
>> > blend w/ red/black/brown brick desired (hence not SS) and preferable to
>> > not require painting or similar maintenance. Am thinking 4x4 square
>> > tubing would be reasonable dimension combing adequate strength as well
>> > as appropriate visual "heft". (Bell weight is uncertain but estimated
>> > at 3000 lb based on data found for similarly sized cast bells.)
>> >
>> > What alternatives are available and links to information would be
>> > appreciated...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cor-ten
>>
>> Cor-ten is steel that rusts on the surface. The rust protects the
>> underlying material. Guardrails along highways are often made of the
>> stuff.
> ...
> Thanks, I "knew" I should know the trade name. But, unfortunately,
> seems only comes in plate unless require enough to make a mill run--no
> indication of standard structural shapes available routinely (that I
> can find, anyway). Don't think we can afford that! :) (The
> possibility exists since we're in a relatively dry area to simply use
> steel and let it go--it'll last a _long_ time here simply unpainted but
> would undoubtedly leave some ugly rust stains on the mounting pads. I
> initially thought of just using SS, but in looking at the area where it
> would sit I think the bright surface would "stick out" excessively...
> :(
>
> I've a call in to local metal dealer, so we'll see what I can learn
> there (if anything).
>
> I didn't realize it was an issue to find the stuff in whatever form one
> wanted it...
>
> I'll search some more for other high Cu/Ni alloys. I surely thought
> there were a variety of materials readily available but don't seem to
> find what I thought I would.
>

Don't ask for cor-ten, ask for weathering steel, available in structural
shapes and used in many bridges.

JTMcC.



Posted by dpb on August 4, 2006, 4:05 pm

JTMcC wrote:
> >
> > RicodJour wrote:
> >> dpb wrote:
> >> > OK, I know it exists but been unable to find much. Looking for info on
> >> > maintenance-free structural metal (other than Al or SS) for
> >> > constructing tower to hang bell in front of church. Dark color ...
> >>
...
> >> Cor-ten is steel that rusts on the surface...
> > ...
> > Thanks, I "knew" I should know the trade name. But, unfortunately,
> > seems only comes in plate unless ... make a mill run...

> Don't ask for cor-ten, ask for weathering steel, available in structural
> shapes and used in many bridges.

All the references I've found so far to the alloy class to which
Cor-ten belongs for all fabricators have same general result -- it's
all in the sheet goods and forms for bridges, etc., all seem custom.
Not found a single point for standard structural shapes from any
distributor. I've sent of a couple queries asking about small
quantities or alternatives to them as well. If you happen to know a
link/distributor, that would be kewl...


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