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Posted by Glenn on May 10, 2007, 11:50 am
Been retired for 18 years so haven't bought much lately.
I had 2 of the older battery drills and 4 batteries for them. My
people used them every day, all day. Usually had one or 2 bats
charging during the day, 1 hr charge. We used and Pounded them
for years and they never failed. Batteries took a memory finally
and I replaced the bats once. Shame a good Co goes to crap.
> Glenn wrote:
>> As a retired contractor, I have always sworn by Skil too.
> Skil has been mostly junk for quite a while. You only noticed
> this lately?
> They still make the worm-drive circular saw though, and it's
> still good.
> Chris
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Posted by BobR on May 11, 2007, 10:38 am
> As a retired contractor, I have always sworn by Skil too. Got a
> battery drill sometime ago at Lowes that is a beauty. It was on
> special for about 40 bucks. Wish I had my 40 back. Used it 4
> times, ie charged it 4 times and the charger won't work any more.
> The store manager of that department said the charger would
> probably be almost as much ad I paid for the whole thing and they
> sold a bunch of them and he said everyone is just throwing them
> away.
> So much for Skil and so much for Lowes.
> > If I may sound off on this one,
> > Personally where the tool is manufactured weighs in little for
> > me. As
> > much as I would prefer to buy American or Canadian, (keep our
> > boys
> > working) QUALITY will be my sole decider. I know China has
> > meant, and
> > in some cases still means cheap crap and deeper still human
> > rights
> > issues, etc. But the world is headed in that direction. And
> > better and
> > better stuff keeps coming from that manufacturing juggernaut
> > know as
> > cheap labor China. Often they are our companies, exploiting the
> > labor
> > cost difference. Anyway that said, I have been a BOSCH fan for
> > years.
> > I've recently been displeased with a few of their newer tools,
> > but the
> > Mitre Box for example, well... IMHO ,I dont think theres a
> > better one
> > on earth at any price point. I love mine.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
I have been through several Skill, Craftsman, and Black Decker
cordless tools over the past few years and been rather disappointed in
all of them. Nine months ago I bought a combination set of tools from
Ryobi and couldn't be happier with their performance. The overall
qualitiy of the tools is good and their performance has been well
above that of the previous tools.
I bought them partly because of the price but more important to me was
the value. By that I mean that I compared both price and quality, not
one or the other. That is what you should be looking for when making
any purchase. There may be better tools on the market but if their
price is too high compared to their quality they don't represent a
good value. Likewise, cheaper tools may be of such low quality that
they are not a good value either.
When purchasing any tool or other product the ultimate value is based
on usage. I purchased a tile saw several months ago for $199 from
Harbor Freight. It was far from the best saw available and was also
not the cheapest saw available. I knew that I only had two or three
projects that I would be using it for over the next year or two. The
first thought was to buy one for $75-$100 or so but examination showed
that they would probably cost more in poor cuts and wasted tiles than
they would save. They were not good for more than a tile backdrop in
the kitchen.
I looked at top of the line saws and found them to be great quality
and would last through years of commercial use but their price to use
value for me wasn't there. So, I ended up buying an inexpensive saw
with more than enough value that was probably build in China but gave
me exactly what I needed, the best value for the dollar spent.
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Posted by Glenn on May 11, 2007, 11:08 am
I once bought a little 1/4" no-name drill because I wanted the
RPM's of a little one. Got it at the lumber yard for something
like 10 bucks. We used that little thing for years and the drill
head bearing is so worn out that you can wiggle the chuck around
but it still runs well.
> I have been through several Skill, Craftsman, and Black Decker
> cordless tools over the past few years and been rather
> disappointed in
> all of them. Nine months ago I bought a combination set of
> tools from
> Ryobi and couldn't be happier with their performance. The
> overall
> qualitiy of the tools is good and their performance has been
> well
> above that of the previous tools.
> I bought them partly because of the price but more important to
> me was
> the value. By that I mean that I compared both price and
> quality, not
> one or the other. That is what you should be looking for when
> making
> any purchase. There may be better tools on the market but if
> their
> price is too high compared to their quality they don't represent
> a
> good value. Likewise, cheaper tools may be of such low quality
> that
> they are not a good value either.
> When purchasing any tool or other product the ultimate value is
> based
> on usage. I purchased a tile saw several months ago for $199
> from
> Harbor Freight. It was far from the best saw available and was
> also
> not the cheapest saw available. I knew that I only had two or
> three
> projects that I would be using it for over the next year or two.
> The
> first thought was to buy one for $75-$100 or so but examination
> showed
> that they would probably cost more in poor cuts and wasted tiles
> than
> they would save. They were not good for more than a tile
> backdrop in
> the kitchen.
> I looked at top of the line saws and found them to be great
> quality
> and would last through years of commercial use but their price
> to use
> value for me wasn't there. So, I ended up buying an inexpensive
> saw
> with more than enough value that was probably build in China but
> gave
> me exactly what I needed, the best value for the dollar spent.
>
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Posted by dpb on May 11, 2007, 12:16 pm
...
> I have been through several Skill, Craftsman, and Black Decker
> cordless tools over the past few years and been rather disappointed in
> all of them. Nine months ago I bought a combination set of tools from
> Ryobi and couldn't be happier with their performance. The overall
> qualitiy of the tools is good and their performance has been well
> above that of the previous tools.
..
Well, w/ those as comparatives, you're in at least the same general
range of target market. TTI of course, began as a manufacturer for
Sears/Craftsman and then built the Ryobi brand and got the
distribution deal w/ HD from that experience/basis. While I haven't
looked in detail for several years now, it would be surprising to find
they're not still making a fair amount of stuff for Sears. I've not
investigated the Skil/B&D actual manufacturing relationships enough to
know of any possible connection in production facilities although one
would presume they're not contracting for them, even that wouldn't be
out of the realm of possibilities.
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Posted by BobR on May 11, 2007, 12:43 pm
> ...
> > I have been through several Skill, Craftsman, and Black Decker
> > cordless tools over the past few years and been rather disappointed in
> > all of them. Nine months ago I bought a combination set of tools from
> > Ryobi and couldn't be happier with their performance. The overall
> > qualitiy of the tools is good and their performance has been well
> > above that of the previous tools.
> ..
> Well, w/ those as comparatives, you're in at least the same general
> range of target market. TTI of course, began as a manufacturer for
> Sears/Craftsman and then built the Ryobi brand and got the
> distribution deal w/ HD from that experience/basis. While I haven't
> looked in detail for several years now, it would be surprising to find
> they're not still making a fair amount of stuff for Sears. I've not
> investigated the Skil/B&D actual manufacturing relationships enough to
> know of any possible connection in production facilities although one
> would presume they're not contracting for them, even that wouldn't be
> out of the realm of possibilities.
I was talking with a plumbing company the other day who was also using
Ryobi tools. Caught me by surprise that they would be using them
since their load demand would far exceed mine. I ask them if they
were happy with the tools and the quality. Their answer was that
while the tools were not as good as say the Dewalt brand, their cost
was so much lower that they could by three or four and still save
money. Their experience had shown about 3/4 of the use at 1/4 of the
cost. Still seems like a good value.
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