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Mold control in new construction mchappe 06-08-2007
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Posted by Autumn on June 11, 2007, 8:24 pm
I have an interest in this idea too. How would you recommend using it?

Autumn



Posted by on June 12, 2007, 12:58 pm
>
>
>
> > According to the Canadian MSDS sheet, it's actually 1.19% trisodium
> > phosphate. According to the American MSDS sheet it is 0.95% sodium
> > carbonate. So the manufacturer makes 2 different but very similar
> > products and calls it the same name.
>
> > Now the TSP you can buy in the hardware store may not be pure TSP but
> > rather substituted with up to 80-90% sodium carbonate. The reason TSP
> > is being cut down is that phosphates acts as a fertilizer to promote
> > the growth of algae if it gets flushed into your plumbing.
>
> Sodium carbonate is used in the fruit industry to inhibit mold growth
> on fruit. By it's other name, washing soda, it is used in laundry and
> cleaning applications. No reason to use phosphates if you don't have
> to. There's no way you're getting TSP, whether nearly pure or purely
> adulterated, for anywhere near as low of a price as the washing soda.
>
> R


Dear R,

You are mistaken if you think you can make "Concrobium" (i agree worst
product name ever).
If you think its just a mix of carbonate and water...The thing i like
about Concrobium is that it has EPA and DIN registrations. Meaning
relevant safety and efficacy data has been posted and proves
Concrobium will kill and prevent mold. I used it many time with great
results. A mixture of washing soda and water does not kill or prevent
mold.
The reason why the MSDS for Canada and US are different are because of
the EPA and DIN requirements...
As a mold pro, i know this stuff very well and have been satisfied
with Concrobiums performance on the jobs i have done.
hope this helps,


Posted by RicodJour on June 13, 2007, 2:13 pm
On Jun 12, 12:58 pm, klugconsult...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > > According to the Canadian MSDS sheet, it's actually 1.19% trisodium
> > > phosphate. According to the American MSDS sheet it is 0.95% sodium
> > > carbonate. So the manufacturer makes 2 different but very similar
> > > products and calls it the same name.
>
> > > Now the TSP you can buy in the hardware store may not be pure TSP but
> > > rather substituted with up to 80-90% sodium carbonate. The reason TSP
> > > is being cut down is that phosphates acts as a fertilizer to promote
> > > the growth of algae if it gets flushed into your plumbing.
>
> > Sodium carbonate is used in the fruit industry to inhibit mold growth
> > on fruit. By it's other name, washing soda, it is used in laundry and
> > cleaning applications. No reason to use phosphates if you don't have
> > to. There's no way you're getting TSP, whether nearly pure or purely
> > adulterated, for anywhere near as low of a price as the washing soda.
>
> > R
>
> Dear R,
>
> You are mistaken if you think you can make "Concrobium" (i agree worst
> product name ever).
> If you think its just a mix of carbonate and water...The thing i like
> about Concrobium is that it has EPA and DIN registrations. Meaning
> relevant safety and efficacy data has been posted and proves
> Concrobium will kill and prevent mold. I used it many time with great
> results. A mixture of washing soda and water does not kill or prevent.
> mold.
> The reason why the MSDS for Canada and US are different are because of
> the EPA and DIN requirements...
> As a mold pro, i know this stuff very well and have been satisfied
> with Concrobiums performance on the jobs i have done.
> hope this helps,

I appreciate the input, but it doesn't really change things. As a
commercial applicator I'm sure you have the typical bureaucratic
regulations to conform to, which would require you to provide an MSDS
to the occupants when you applied whatever you were applying. That
requirement precludes you from mixing your own chemicals - no matter
how innocuous they are. As far as I know, if you can't provide an
MSDS sheet, you can't use the chemical.

Concrobium _is_ just sodium carbonate and water. Sodium carbonate is
listed on the US MSDS as the _only_ active ingredient. If sodium
carbonate inhibits mold growth on fruit, it will inhibit mold growth
on other things.

R


Posted by on June 12, 2007, 1:03 pm
>
>
>
> > According to the Canadian MSDS sheet, it's actually 1.19% trisodium
> > phosphate. According to the American MSDS sheet it is 0.95% sodium
> > carbonate. So the manufacturer makes 2 different but very similar
> > products and calls it the same name.
>
> > Now the TSP you can buy in the hardware store may not be pure TSP but
> > rather substituted with up to 80-90% sodium carbonate. The reason TSP
> > is being cut down is that phosphates acts as a fertilizer to promote
> > the growth of algae if it gets flushed into your plumbing.
>
> Sodium carbonate is used in the fruit industry to inhibit mold growth
> on fruit. By it's other name, washing soda, it is used in laundry and
> cleaning applications. No reason to use phosphates if you don't have
> to. There's no way you're getting TSP, whether nearly pure or purely
> adulterated, for anywhere near as low of a price as the washing soda.
>
> R



Posted by on June 12, 2007, 2:33 pm
> As a follow-up to a previous post:
> There's a product called Concrobium Mold Control (manufactured in
> Toronto) which can be used to "inoculate" new wood frame construction
> against subsequent mold formation. Instructions say it will provide
> about 400 square feet of coverage per gallon.
> My son and I are going to spray it (and let it dry thoroughly) in the
> stud bays of his new house prior to insulating. Price is approx. $33/
> gallon.

IMO all these mold inhibitors are a marketing gimmick at best, and at
worst, an industry diversionary tactic to make you think preventing
LEAKS is less important. Keep the water out and you won't need to
waste money on mold inhibitors which probably won't do the job
anyway. The products that really rot if there are leaks are drywall
and insulation, and those products should not be sprayed with wet
applications or you will probably damage them.


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