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Nailing floor with glue versus screwing floor without glue--which is better? Sasquatch 10-03-2006
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Posted by Bob Morrison on October 3, 2006, 7:22 pm
In a previous post Sasquatch wrote...
> So I'm getting the impression that screws+glue is *DEFINITELY* better
> than nails alone. But it sounds like screws by themselves, even
> without glue, is a pretty decent technique, too. Would you say that
> screws alone is just about as good as nails+glue?
>

And this is the response I gave in alt.architecture:

I've recently seen a new floor installation method that uses a strip of
closed cell foam tape on top of the joists instead of glue. The sheathing
is then put down using #8 screws on the same pattern as one would use 10d
nails. The foam has adhesive on one side and a slick surface on the other
to make sliding the sheathing into place easier. I'm told that the
adhesive on the foam works better on wet surfaces than the normal
construction adhesive and unlike glue won't spread to surfaces where you
don't want it. This floor is good and solid and does not squeak.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by marson on October 3, 2006, 9:06 pm
i nail and glue my subfloors. have had only one squeaky floor, and
that was because the owner/general contractor covered it with a half
assed sheet of poly during a very wet spell during construction and it
got VERY wet (plastic trapped more moisture than it repelled). i just
started using the new foam subfloor adhesive applied with a
"professional" foam gun. really like how fast and easy it is.


Bob Morrison wrote:
> In a previous post Sasquatch wrote...
> > So I'm getting the impression that screws+glue is *DEFINITELY* better
> > than nails alone. But it sounds like screws by themselves, even
> > without glue, is a pretty decent technique, too. Would you say that
> > screws alone is just about as good as nails+glue?
> >
>
> And this is the response I gave in alt.architecture:
>
> I've recently seen a new floor installation method that uses a strip of
> closed cell foam tape on top of the joists instead of glue. The sheathing
> is then put down using #8 screws on the same pattern as one would use 10d
> nails. The foam has adhesive on one side and a slick surface on the other
> to make sliding the sheathing into place easier. I'm told that the
> adhesive on the foam works better on wet surfaces than the normal
> construction adhesive and unlike glue won't spread to surfaces where you
> don't want it. This floor is good and solid and does not squeak.
>
> --
> Bob Morrison, PE, SE
> R L Morrison Engineering Co
> Structural & Civil Engineering
> Poulsbo WA
> bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com


Posted by Wayne Whitney on October 4, 2006, 12:27 am

> I've recently seen a new floor installation method that uses a strip
> of closed cell foam tape on top of the joists instead of glue. The
> sheathing is then put down using #8 screws on the same pattern as
> one would use 10d nails.

Hi Bob, I believe a #8 screw has a root diameter of 0.112" while a 10d
nail has a diameter of 0.148". So presumably the #8 screw has a lower
shear strength. If so, does this difference matter in earthquake
country?

Thanks, Wayne


Posted by Bob Morrison on October 4, 2006, 10:21 am
In a previous post Wayne Whitney wrote...
> Hi Bob, I believe a #8 screw has a root diameter of 0.112" while a 10d
> nail has a diameter of 0.148". So presumably the #8 screw has a lower
> shear strength. If so, does this difference matter in earthquake
> country?
>

I was thinking of the Simpson Quikdrive system which uses #8 screws and
has test data to back up their claims.

http://www.strongtie.com/products/quikdrive/fasteners/wood_diaphragm.html

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

Posted by Wayne Whitney on October 4, 2006, 10:42 am

> I was thinking of the Simpson Quikdrive system which uses #8 screws and
> has test data to back up their claims.

Thanks for the pointer! Wayne

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