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Posted by Zohrabyan Hrach on December 29, 2006, 1:16 pm
I am in the progress of purchasing a lot in Los Angeles County, right
on the border line between LA and Kern County. I have over 2 acres to
work with and i am interested in building one house and selling it.

My question is does anyone have experience with the blueprints and
plans which are available online for example from houseplans.com


I spoke with a few structural engineers and they all said something
different. Some said that they will be able to work with the plan but
will need to redo the entire plan to meet spec. I know they want to
make a sale or charge as much as they can. The house is only 2500 sq
ft which is not that big for the area and some of these guys want
almost 10,000 to just prepare the plans before i can submit to the
county and wait for the city to respond.


I know that there will be some charges from the engineer and the
architect but i do not believe that the amount of work they will do on
the plans will be a great amount. I do respect them for what they do
and who they are, i do not want them to work for free, i just want them

to be honest.


What the engineer will need to do to my plans is go over it and have it

sealed as the city requires that.


Also the plans are available in cad files so the architect or engineer
can get the job done with much ease.


please advise and all your time and help is appreciated.


Hrach


Posted by hawgeye on December 29, 2006, 4:14 pm

"Zohrabyan Hrach" wrote...
>I am in the progress of purchasing a lot in Los Angeles County, right
> on the border line between LA and Kern County. I have over 2 acres to
> work with and i am interested in building one house and selling it.
>
> My question is does anyone have experience with the blueprints and
> plans which are available online for example from houseplans.com
>
> I spoke with a few structural engineers and they all said something
> different. Some said that they will be able to work with the plan but
> will need to redo the entire plan to meet spec. I know they want to
> make a sale or charge as much as they can. The house is only 2500 sq
> ft which is not that big for the area and some of these guys want
> almost 10,000 to just prepare the plans before i can submit to the
> county and wait for the city to respond.
>
> I know that there will be some charges from the engineer and the
> architect but i do not believe that the amount of work they will do on
> the plans will be a great amount. I do respect them for what they do
> and who they are, i do not want them to work for free, i just want them
> to be honest.
>
> What the engineer will need to do to my plans is go over it and have it
> sealed as the city requires that.
>
> Also the plans are available in cad files so the architect or engineer
> can get the job done with much ease.
>
> please advise and all your time and help is appreciated.

First thing I would do is make sure who and what needs to be stamped in
order to get permits and proceed with building. Does the land fall under
the jurisdiction of a city or is it in an unincorporated county. For
single-family residential units, most municipalities don't require that the
drawings be stamped as long as everything meets code, setbacks, etc. While
others only require that only certain drawings be stamped by a Registered
Architect or Engineer.
The problem with buying those "mail-order" house plans is that they are
generic. They don't take into account where the structure is going to be
built and all the codes required in that area. If you want to make any
changes/adjustments to the drawings, then it will cost you extra.
Just because the drawings are available in cad, does not mean they are
useful.
In most cases you are much better off having the drawings done to fit your
needs. Look around for a general floor plan that you like, make notes of
any changes you'd like, then take that to an architect/engineer (if the
drawings need to be stamped) or to a knowledgeable architectural designer.
Doing. some homework in advance will save you a lot of money and grief in
the long run.



Posted by Kickstart on December 30, 2006, 7:53 am
I know they want to
> make a sale or charge as much as they can. The house is only 2500 sq
> ft which is not that big for the area and some of these guys want
> almost 10,000 to just prepare the plans before i can submit to the
> county and wait for the city to respond.
>
>
> I know that there will be some charges from the engineer and the
> architect but i do not believe that the amount of work they will do on
> the plans will be a great amount. I do respect them for what they do
> and who they are, i do not want them to work for free, i just want them
>
> to be honest.
>
> Hrach
>
Ill bet when you look for a contractor , they'll probably want to charge too
much too.

kickstart



Posted by John Reddy on December 31, 2006, 7:13 am


> I do respect them for what they do
> > and who they are, i do not want them to work for free, i just want them
> >
> > to be honest.
> >

Your logic seems to be that because they are charging more than you
would like to pay, they are not honest?

You are exactly the kind of client I wouldn't want. As a matter of
fact, I have gotten to the point where I won't take on a client who
wants to quibble over a fee. I have learned from experience that if the
quibbling starts before the contract is signed, it only gets worse
afterward.

Posted by dpb on December 30, 2006, 11:12 am

Zohrabyan Hrach wrote:
> I am in the progress of purchasing a lot in Los Angeles County, right
> on the border line between LA and Kern County. I have over 2 acres to
> work with and i am interested in building one house and selling it.
>
> My question is does anyone have experience with the blueprints and
> plans which are available online for example from houseplans.com
>
>
> I spoke with a few structural engineers and they all said something
> different. Some said that they will be able to work with the plan but
> will need to redo the entire plan to meet spec. I know they want to
> make a sale or charge as much as they can. The house is only 2500 sq
> ft which is not that big for the area and some of these guys want
> almost 10,000 to just prepare the plans before i can submit to the
> county and wait for the city to respond.
...

Given what 2+ A in LA County must cost, you're nitpicking over
fractions of $10k?
Also, is poor idea to build anything that is either the most- or
least-expensive in an area, particularly on spec. The first will be
unlikely to bring a decent return as nobody wants to put excessive
money into something lesser than the area and the latter can be
difficult to sell as people typically also don't like to invest in
low-end properties in upper-scale areas.

Seems to me if you're into doing something, do it right from the get-go
or don't at all. It would probably have been better to have found and
established the partnerships/working agreements first rather than now
shopping around for on-the-cheap hired labor.


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