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Paint - ?enamel over latex? Kris Krieger 04-12-2008
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Posted by Kris Krieger on April 12, 2008, 1:51 pm
Hi, all,

Is it bad to paint over gloss latex paint with enamel? THe latex gloss
used on teh trim and doors in the house doesn't resist staining or stand up
to cleaning as much as I'd like, but I'm having a hard time getting info
that I trust re: whether gloss enamel can go over gloss latex without
causing problems.

TIA!

- K.

Posted by RicodJour on April 12, 2008, 1:21 pm
> Hi, all,
>
> Is it bad to paint over gloss latex paint with enamel? THe latex gloss
> used on teh trim and doors in the house doesn't resist staining or stand up
> to cleaning as much as I'd like, but I'm having a hard time getting info
> that I trust re: whether gloss enamel can go over gloss latex without
> causing problems.

Most of the information you're probably reading has to do with
painting with latex over oil-based enamel. That's a tough one. If
you're talking about painting over latex with latex enamel, there's
usually not a problem, but the surface sheen can present problems.
The higher the gloss, the smoother the surface and the tougher it is
for the new paint to adhere. That's a particular problem with
surfaces that are subject to frequent contact and cleaning, such as
doors and windows.

Preparation is everything, so whatever you do you have to knock the
shine off of the old paint. That can be done by sanding, wiping down
the trim with liquid deglosser (or adding it to the new paint), or by
using a primer designed for tough surfaces, such as Benjamin Moore's
Fresh Start.

For painting question, you can do a lot worse than picking up the
phone and calling one of the Sherwin Williams stores. They cater to
contractors and are _far_ more knowledgeable about their products than
anyone in an orange or blue apron.

R

Posted by Kris Krieger on April 15, 2008, 11:41 am

>> Hi, all,
>>
>> Is it bad to paint over gloss latex paint with enamel? THe latex
>> gloss used on teh trim and doors in the house doesn't resist staining
>> or stand up to cleaning as much as I'd like, but I'm having a hard
>> time getting info that I trust re: whether gloss enamel can go over
>> gloss latex without causing problems.
>
> Most of the information you're probably reading has to do with
> painting with latex over oil-based enamel. That's a tough one. If
> you're talking about painting over latex with latex enamel, there's
> usually not a problem, but the surface sheen can present problems.
> The higher the gloss, the smoother the surface and the tougher it is
> for the new paint to adhere. That's a particular problem with
> surfaces that are subject to frequent contact and cleaning, such as
> doors and windows.
>
> Preparation is everything, so whatever you do you have to knock the
> shine off of the old paint. That can be done by sanding, wiping down
> the trim with liquid deglosser (or adding it to the new paint), or by
> using a primer designed for tough surfaces, such as Benjamin Moore's
> Fresh Start.
>
> For painting question, you can do a lot worse than picking up the
> phone and calling one of the Sherwin Williams stores. They cater to
> contractors and are _far_ more knowledgeable about their products than
> anyone in an orange or blue apron.
>
> R
>

Thanks, Rico! - that's all useful information; I especially like the
"deglosser" and "primer" idea - I know that one can paint over tile using
the right primer. I also didn't know that about Sherwin-Williams; that's
good to know.

- K.

Posted by ransley on April 15, 2008, 9:22 am
> Hi, all,
>
> Is it bad to paint over gloss latex paint with enamel? =A0THe latex gloss
> used on teh trim and doors in the house doesn't resist staining or stand u=
p
> to cleaning as much as I'd like, but I'm having a hard time getting info
> that I trust re: whether gloss enamel can go over gloss latex without
> causing problems.
>
> TIA!
>
> - K.

Its should be lightly sanded and as important is be sure its real
clean, areas hands touch absorb oils from hands and reduce the new
paints adhesion. If you were doing the oposite, latex over oil the
latex could fail from any abrasion, requiring removing of latex. Sand
and thoroughly wash it especialy where hands have touched the old
paint.

Posted by RicodJour on April 15, 2008, 11:18 am
>
> Its should be lightly sanded and as important is be sure its real
> clean, areas hands touch absorb oils from hands and reduce the new
> paints adhesion. If you were doing the oposite, latex over oil the
> latex could fail from any abrasion, requiring removing of latex. Sand
> and thoroughly wash it especialy where hands have touched the old
> paint.

You are assuming that it's an oil enamel. I do agree with the clean
and scuff sand part.

R

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