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Piling homes Colorado? scotcox 11-30-2006
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Posted by on November 30, 2006, 7:42 pm
Curious to as if anyone here has constructed a house on piling in
Colorado or if anyone could tell me what would be required. I am
wondering what methods you use, or would use where the piling meets the
ground. I guess I am assuming a wood piling here.

Where I am and work, we, on the beach, either dig or jet with water the
holes at least half the piling length into the sand.

I have found that in most places of Colorado, Sonotubes are used to
make a pad for a post to rest on for maybe a deck or a stair. What I
have not found is an entire house constructed upon these. I have an
interest in this type of construction to do away with a typical
foundation or slab. Also, the underside could be used as
storage/covered parking.

Any reply and info appreciated.

scott


Posted by dpb on December 1, 2006, 9:08 am

scotcox@yahoo.com wrote:
> Curious to as if anyone here has constructed a house on piling in
> Colorado or if anyone could tell me what would be required. I am
> wondering what methods you use, or would use where the piling meets the
> ground. I guess I am assuming a wood piling here.
>
> Where I am and work, we, on the beach, either dig or jet with water the
> holes at least half the piling length into the sand.
>
> I have found that in most places of Colorado, Sonotubes are used to
> make a pad for a post to rest on for maybe a deck or a stair. What I
> have not found is an entire house constructed upon these. I have an
> interest in this type of construction to do away with a typical
> foundation or slab. Also, the underside could be used as
> storage/covered parking.

In general, the use is in CO is to provide support for the low
side(s)/point(s) in mountainside-type locations rather than for the
raised height to avoid tide/storm surge in beachside construction.
Can't do the water jet or dig easily in granite, either, which makes a
big difference in how the construction itself proceeds.

Don't see anything to prevent doing whatever, but particularly for a
year-round dwelling a raised dwelling will require additional attention
to insulation, etc., for the cold climate. If at a high elevation and
particularly on western slopes, unless fully enclose the area it may be
nothing but a catchall for snow when the wind blows.


Posted by on December 2, 2006, 11:04 am

dpb wrote:
> scotcox@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Curious to as if anyone here has constructed a house on piling in
> > Colorado or if anyone could tell me what would be required. I am
> > wondering what methods you use, or would use where the piling meets the
> > ground. I guess I am assuming a wood piling here.
> >
> > Where I am and work, we, on the beach, either dig or jet with water the
> > holes at least half the piling length into the sand.
> >
> > I have found that in most places of Colorado, Sonotubes are used to
> > make a pad for a post to rest on for maybe a deck or a stair. What I
> > have not found is an entire house constructed upon these. I have an
> > interest in this type of construction to do away with a typical
> > foundation or slab. Also, the underside could be used as
> > storage/covered parking.
>
> In general, the use is in CO is to provide support for the low
> side(s)/point(s) in mountainside-type locations rather than for the
> raised height to avoid tide/storm surge in beachside construction.
> Can't do the water jet or dig easily in granite, either, which makes a
> big difference in how the construction itself proceeds.
>
> Don't see anything to prevent doing whatever, but particularly for a
> year-round dwelling a raised dwelling will require additional attention
> to insulation, etc., for the cold climate. If at a high elevation and
> particularly on western slopes, unless fully enclose the area it may be
> nothing but a catchall for snow when the wind blows.

I guess my whole intention would be to get rid of a basement foundation
for one. Most likely the use for the underside area as a parking
stall/storage/workshop, so it would be enclosed and nearly appear as a
normal two story. One main difference in the front elevation would be
the entryway on the upper part of the structure. Insulation expense is
noted, and with a concrete board finish underside covering is new code
here at least (for fire).

When used, are they generally on a pad of poured concrete? Or are they
dug into the ground?
Here the rule of thumb (apply in certain areas) is half in half out of
the ground. What I know of in Colorado, for example, is that there are
minimum depths for footings and foundations all based on geographic
location and altitude. 8 feet being the min depth in a place such as
Leadville. Would the same apply to a CCA post embedded into the ground?
Would they allow a concrete pour around the piling? If you must use a
concrete pad, I assume that this pad must be 8 feet deep as well to
account for frost line?? Either way, what rules would apply if any
about a slab poured underneath for parking and general ground cover?

Thanks for the replies,
Scott


Posted by on December 3, 2006, 6:40 pm

scotcox@yahoo.com wrote:
> dpb wrote:
> > scotcox@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Curious to as if anyone here has constructed a house on piling in
> > > Colorado or if anyone could tell me what would be required. I am
> > > wondering what methods you use, or would use where the piling meets the
> > > ground. I guess I am assuming a wood piling here.
> > >
> > > Where I am and work, we, on the beach, either dig or jet with water the
> > > holes at least half the piling length into the sand.
> > >
> > > I have found that in most places of Colorado, Sonotubes are used to
> > > make a pad for a post to rest on for maybe a deck or a stair. What I
> > > have not found is an entire house constructed upon these. I have an
> > > interest in this type of construction to do away with a typical
> > > foundation or slab. Also, the underside could be used as
> > > storage/covered parking.
> >
> > In general, the use is in CO is to provide support for the low
> > side(s)/point(s) in mountainside-type locations rather than for the
> > raised height to avoid tide/storm surge in beachside construction.
> > Can't do the water jet or dig easily in granite, either, which makes a
> > big difference in how the construction itself proceeds.
> >
> > Don't see anything to prevent doing whatever, but particularly for a
> > year-round dwelling a raised dwelling will require additional attention
> > to insulation, etc., for the cold climate. If at a high elevation and
> > particularly on western slopes, unless fully enclose the area it may be
> > nothing but a catchall for snow when the wind blows.
>
> I guess my whole intention would be to get rid of a basement foundation
> for one. Most likely the use for the underside area as a parking
> stall/storage/workshop, so it would be enclosed and nearly appear as a
> normal two story. One main difference in the front elevation would be
> the entryway on the upper part of the structure. Insulation expense is
> noted, and with a concrete board finish underside covering is new code
> here at least (for fire).
>
> When used, are they generally on a pad of poured concrete? Or are they
> dug into the ground?
> Here the rule of thumb (apply in certain areas) is half in half out of
> the ground. What I know of in Colorado, for example, is that there are
> minimum depths for footings and foundations all based on geographic
> location and altitude. 8 feet being the min depth in a place such as
> Leadville. Would the same apply to a CCA post embedded into the ground?
> Would they allow a concrete pour around the piling? If you must use a
> concrete pad, I assume that this pad must be 8 feet deep as well to
> account for frost line?? Either way, what rules would apply if any
> about a slab poured underneath for parking and general ground cover?
>
> Thanks for the replies,
> Scott


I suppose I may be in uncharted territory here.

All based upon local codes and ordinance I am sure. I assume that I can
use sonotubes with a traditional foundation depth and place the pilings
on top. I suppose that my only wonder is the spacing of the pilings
now. Here the rule of thumb is 4 pilings per 100 square feet, 6 per 200
etc...

Thanks


Posted by Bob Morrison on December 4, 2006, 10:46 am
In a previous post scotcox@yahoo.com wrote...
> I suppose I may be in uncharted territory here.
>
> All based upon local codes and ordinance I am sure. I assume that I can
> use sonotubes with a traditional foundation depth and place the pilings
> on top. I suppose that my only wonder is the spacing of the pilings
> now. Here the rule of thumb is 4 pilings per 100 square feet, 6 per 200
> etc...
>
> Thanks
>

Hire a local engineer and explain what you want to do. There are other
considerations beside dealing with straight gravity loads.

--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com

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