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Post Frame Construction questions (Cost) David 07-17-2007
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Posted by David on July 17, 2007, 1:56 am
My main question is... how much is this going to cost me.

Guesstimate would be ok. I don't want to go and get permits or buy
plans if this is something completely out of my budget. Here's the
details.

I live in a residential neighborhood. Toledo, Ohio. I have a large
backyard. Enough to accommodate a 60' x 80' barn decently, with yard
still left over.

The concrete slab that this pole barn will sit on will probably be up
in the air for right now. I've heard it will cost an arm and a leg to
pour a concrete slab for the barn.

It will be two story. Bottom floor, storage. Car's, tools, etc. There
will be an enclosed loft in the upper level. 40' x 40' loft. It will
be an apartment that can be rented out or used. So, heating and
cooling will be necessary.

I have a quote for the actual frame of the building for around
$20,000. I've added another $10,000 on to that for the finishing of
the place. Drywall, carpet, cabinets, shower, paint, etc.

$30,000 total so far.

Costs that I'm not sure about...
* Permits and plans
* Hookups for the utilities (Electric, Water)
* Foundation work (Will I need any if I don't choose concrete? If I do
choose concrete, how much extra will it add on?)

And since this is going to be residential in the upper part, the loft,
will I expect any set backs like more fee's or different construction?
Let me know if this will be possible for the cost that I'm thinking it
will be! Thanks

David


Posted by PeterD on July 17, 2007, 8:37 am

>My main question is... how much is this going to cost me.
>
>Guesstimate would be ok. I don't want to go and get permits or buy
>plans if this is something completely out of my budget. Here's the
>details.
>
>I live in a residential neighborhood. Toledo, Ohio. I have a large
>backyard. Enough to accommodate a 60' x 80' barn decently, with yard
>still left over.
>
>The concrete slab that this pole barn will sit on will probably be up
>in the air for right now. I've heard it will cost an arm and a leg to
>pour a concrete slab for the barn.
>
>It will be two story. Bottom floor, storage. Car's, tools, etc. There
>will be an enclosed loft in the upper level. 40' x 40' loft. It will
>be an apartment that can be rented out or used. So, heating and
>cooling will be necessary.
>
>I have a quote for the actual frame of the building for around
>$20,000. I've added another $10,000 on to that for the finishing of
>the place. Drywall, carpet, cabinets, shower, paint, etc.
>

Conventional stick built?

Totally unrealisitc. that requires a 60 x 80 Roof? You want a finished
40x40 apartment? Who will frame this size building (two story!) for
$20K? Hell, the wood alone is more than that! You'll need a
foundation, whether it is a slab (with footings) or whatever. You are
not going to sit this on the ground!

>$30,000 total so far.
>
>Costs that I'm not sure about...
>* Permits and plans
>* Hookups for the utilities (Electric, Water)
>* Foundation work (Will I need any if I don't choose concrete? If I do
>choose concrete, how much extra will it add on?)

If you have living space in this barn, you'll need to meet residential
code. If you part vehicles in the lower floor (or have a provision
that allows vehicles in it) then the lower floor will have to be sheet
rocked (or otherwise fireproofed to meet code).

>
>And since this is going to be residential in the upper part, the loft,
>will I expect any set backs like more fee's or different construction?
>Let me know if this will be possible for the cost that I'm thinking it
>will be! Thanks
>
>David


I'd *GUESS* your cost estimate above is off by about 100K to 150K.

But, then again that is a WAG, so you may be able to get by for less.

Posted by Chuck on July 18, 2007, 3:22 am

>
>>My main question is... how much is this going to cost me.
>>
>>Guesstimate would be ok. I don't want to go and get permits or buy
>>plans if this is something completely out of my budget. Here's the
>>details.
>>
>>I live in a residential neighborhood. Toledo, Ohio. I have a large
>>backyard. Enough to accommodate a 60' x 80' barn decently, with yard
>>still left over.
>>
>>The concrete slab that this pole barn will sit on will probably be up
>>in the air for right now. I've heard it will cost an arm and a leg to
>>pour a concrete slab for the barn.
>>
>>It will be two story. Bottom floor, storage. Car's, tools, etc. There
>>will be an enclosed loft in the upper level. 40' x 40' loft. It will
>>be an apartment that can be rented out or used. So, heating and
>>cooling will be necessary.
>>
>>I have a quote for the actual frame of the building for around
>>$20,000. I've added another $10,000 on to that for the finishing of
>>the place. Drywall, carpet, cabinets, shower, paint, etc.
>>
>
> Conventional stick built?
>
> Totally unrealisitc. that requires a 60 x 80 Roof? You want a finished
> 40x40 apartment? Who will frame this size building (two story!) for
> $20K? Hell, the wood alone is more than that! You'll need a
> foundation, whether it is a slab (with footings) or whatever. You are
> not going to sit this on the ground!
>
>>$30,000 total so far.
>>
>>Costs that I'm not sure about...
>>* Permits and plans
>>* Hookups for the utilities (Electric, Water)
>>* Foundation work (Will I need any if I don't choose concrete? If I do
>>choose concrete, how much extra will it add on?)
>
> If you have living space in this barn, you'll need to meet residential
> code. If you part vehicles in the lower floor (or have a provision
> that allows vehicles in it) then the lower floor will have to be sheet
> rocked (or otherwise fireproofed to meet code).
>
>>
>>And since this is going to be residential in the upper part, the loft,
>>will I expect any set backs like more fee's or different construction?
>>Let me know if this will be possible for the cost that I'm thinking it
>>will be! Thanks
>>
>>David
>
>
> I'd *GUESS* your cost estimate above is off by about 100K to 150K.
>
> But, then again that is a WAG, so you may be able to get by for less.

You will not only disrupt building codes but zoning codes. A pole barn will
need drilling for the poles used as foundation. More than likely if you
need a building permit you will have to engage either an architect /
engineer or both.
My guess would be $500,000 or more. You still have to add heating/cooling,
plumbing, water supply, electricity in the apartment area and other
utilities that might be wanted in the storage area.

Good luck.

CID...



Posted by PeterD on July 18, 2007, 9:28 am
wrote:

>
>>
>>>My main question is... how much is this going to cost me.
>>>
>>>Guesstimate would be ok. I don't want to go and get permits or buy
>>>plans if this is something completely out of my budget. Here's the
>>>details.
>>>
>>>I live in a residential neighborhood. Toledo, Ohio. I have a large
>>>backyard. Enough to accommodate a 60' x 80' barn decently, with yard
>>>still left over.
>>>
>>>The concrete slab that this pole barn will sit on will probably be up
>>>in the air for right now. I've heard it will cost an arm and a leg to
>>>pour a concrete slab for the barn.
>>>
>>>It will be two story. Bottom floor, storage. Car's, tools, etc. There
>>>will be an enclosed loft in the upper level. 40' x 40' loft. It will
>>>be an apartment that can be rented out or used. So, heating and
>>>cooling will be necessary.
>>>
>>>I have a quote for the actual frame of the building for around
>>>$20,000. I've added another $10,000 on to that for the finishing of
>>>the place. Drywall, carpet, cabinets, shower, paint, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Conventional stick built?
>>
>> Totally unrealisitc. that requires a 60 x 80 Roof? You want a finished
>> 40x40 apartment? Who will frame this size building (two story!) for
>> $20K? Hell, the wood alone is more than that! You'll need a
>> foundation, whether it is a slab (with footings) or whatever. You are
>> not going to sit this on the ground!
>>
>>>$30,000 total so far.
>>>
>>>Costs that I'm not sure about...
>>>* Permits and plans
>>>* Hookups for the utilities (Electric, Water)
>>>* Foundation work (Will I need any if I don't choose concrete? If I do
>>>choose concrete, how much extra will it add on?)
>>
>> If you have living space in this barn, you'll need to meet residential
>> code. If you part vehicles in the lower floor (or have a provision
>> that allows vehicles in it) then the lower floor will have to be sheet
>> rocked (or otherwise fireproofed to meet code).
>>
>>>
>>>And since this is going to be residential in the upper part, the loft,
>>>will I expect any set backs like more fee's or different construction?
>>>Let me know if this will be possible for the cost that I'm thinking it
>>>will be! Thanks
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>
>> I'd *GUESS* your cost estimate above is off by about 100K to 150K.
>>
>> But, then again that is a WAG, so you may be able to get by for less.
>
>You will not only disrupt building codes but zoning codes. A pole barn will
>need drilling for the poles used as foundation. More than likely if you
>need a building permit you will have to engage either an architect /
>engineer or both.
>My guess would be $500,000 or more. You still have to add heating/cooling,
>plumbing, water supply, electricity in the apartment area and other
>utilities that might be wanted in the storage area.
>
>Good luck.
>
>CID...
>

$500K! That's even more than I thought! <bg> But... I bet you are
closer to the actual cost than I am...

Posted by David on July 18, 2007, 4:48 am
I do have quotes, that a few different company's will set up a
complete pole barn -- minus sheetrock (drywall), insulation,
foundation, electrical, etc. The actual 80' x 60' building. Two
story's, for around $25,000.

So, I just don't see where another $125k would go in to. I am
realizing that it may be more towards $50,000 for what I need. But any
more advice would help!


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