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Rafter ties (metal straps) hogheavenfarm 04-02-2008
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Posted by Matt W. Barrow on April 3, 2008, 5:43 pm

> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > The smaller dormer could easily experience more turbulence and be
>> >> > subjected to greater forces, and since code requires that certain
>> >> > areas (end zones) be designed with a greater wind load for a given
>> >> > wind speed, you're right in not skimping on the dormer.
>>
>> >> Pardon,
>>
>> >> How could a smaller dormer experience MORE turbulence?
>>
>> > More turbulence than a roof without a dormer?
>>
>> Okay...maybe I'm missing something here: the point was not a dormer
>> versus
>> NONE, it was a smaller one versus a BIGGER ONE.
>
> Roofs are designed with loads that are attributed to zones. Eaves,
> edges and ridges are subjected to greater stress and the design loads
> and nailing pattern requirements are in acknowledgment of the
> increased stress on those areas. Since a smaller dormer is
> essentially all end zone the requirements are actually more stringent
> than in the middle of the roof field or on a larger dormer.
>
>> > Easy. You're putting
>> > an object in the way of the air stream => turbulence and quite
>> > possibly increased localized wind speed.
>>
>> Okay...you've totally lost me.
>
> A certain volume of air is moving at a certain speed across a roof,
> that creates a certain pressure and a certain load. When the wind
> encounters an obstacle it doesn't just stop or change direction with
> no change in pressure. Whether you approach it as a Venturi effect,
> an airfoil or simply compressing the air, the net effect is the same -
> the wind pressure/load is increased locally.
>
Gotcha!!

Thanks.



Posted by RicodJour on April 3, 2008, 7:05 pm
wrote:
>
>
> > wrote:
>
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> > The smaller dormer could easily experience more turbulence and be
> >> >> > subjected to greater forces, and since code requires that certain
> >> >> > areas (end zones) be designed with a greater wind load for a given
> >> >> > wind speed, you're right in not skimping on the dormer.
>
> >> >> Pardon,
>
> >> >> How could a smaller dormer experience MORE turbulence?
>
> >> > More turbulence than a roof without a dormer?
>
> >> Okay...maybe I'm missing something here: the point was not a dormer
> >> versus
> >> NONE, it was a smaller one versus a BIGGER ONE.
>
> > Roofs are designed with loads that are attributed to zones. Eaves,
> > edges and ridges are subjected to greater stress and the design loads
> > and nailing pattern requirements are in acknowledgment of the
> > increased stress on those areas. Since a smaller dormer is
> > essentially all end zone the requirements are actually more stringent
> > than in the middle of the roof field or on a larger dormer.
>
> >> > Easy. You're putting
> >> > an object in the way of the air stream => turbulence and quite
> >> > possibly increased localized wind speed.
>
> >> Okay...you've totally lost me.
>
> > A certain volume of air is moving at a certain speed across a roof,
> > that creates a certain pressure and a certain load. When the wind
> > encounters an obstacle it doesn't just stop or change direction with
> > no change in pressure. Whether you approach it as a Venturi effect,
> > an airfoil or simply compressing the air, the net effect is the same -
> > the wind pressure/load is increased locally.
>
> Gotcha!!
>
> Thanks.

I can usually explain something in three or four
attempts...unfortunately people wander off after two or three. ;)

R

Posted by Matt W. Barrow on April 3, 2008, 11:01 pm
> wrote:
>>
>> >> Okay...you've totally lost me.
>>
>> > A certain volume of air is moving at a certain speed across a roof,
>> > that creates a certain pressure and a certain load. When the wind
>> > encounters an obstacle it doesn't just stop or change direction with
>> > no change in pressure. Whether you approach it as a Venturi effect,
>> > an airfoil or simply compressing the air, the net effect is the same -
>> > the wind pressure/load is increased locally.
>>
>> Gotcha!!
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> I can usually explain something in three or four
> attempts...unfortunately people wander off after two or three. ;)
>

Hmmm...Hmmmmmm..hmmmm.....what?

:~)



Posted by jloomis on April 2, 2008, 8:59 pm
I would treat the dormer similiar to the construction of the main frame....
Straps are fine, A35......H1........MSTA.......Blocking on plywood seams is
standard practice.......
Earthquake country this is usually the norm. High wind areas is just a
precaution.
I have had wind gust 120 mph here in Ca. during some storms.......the roof
held....
micro bursts.......
Anyway, it does seem like a lot to throw at a construction, but "the chain
is only as strong as the weakest link"
jloomis
> Here is a question I get asked alot, and I am not sure of the answer.
> We build houses in High Wind Zones often, largely on the Jersey shore.
> We frequently need to strap the peaks and the rafters to the top
> plates and the studs. The question always comes up with the smaller
> parts. What do you do with a 5ft dormer? Rafter ties? Peak straps?
> Full blocking for all plywood seams? We currently do all of the above,
> but I wonder if it is truly necessary for such a small roof area that
> is at right angles to the wind plane.



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