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Re: Architecture? Chuck 07-03-2007
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Posted by 3D Peruna on July 8, 2007, 10:26 pm
RicodJour wrote:

>
> {... with
> a little bit of hummus on the side}

Gross.


Posted by Ken S. Tucker on July 4, 2007, 12:39 pm
> "Chuck"> wrote
>
> > You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
> > and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
> > newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
> > Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
> > working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession
> > seems helpful to me.

Here's a new group you might like Chuck.

"Building Codes Forum"

> Ya know, people are always complaining about the lack of proper subject in
> this group but hardly any of the complainers ever offer any *on topic*
> posts.
> Why do you suppose that is?
> Here's my take, having observed this group for more than 10 years now:
> This group would be completely dead if not for the current regulars here
> that post any and everything.
> Occaisionally someone will post something on topic but the topic rarely
> receives much attention.
>
> Imagine, if a moderator suddenly appeard with full SYSOP control and banned
> all off topic posts.
> There would be NOTHING here.
> Save for the occaisional noob that stumbles in asking for help on her/his
> homework, or the rood flathead intent on bashing singapore architex.
> Would you still visit this group?
>
> This group has evolved into what it is and you can contribute in whatever
> way you like, even if it is just to complain.
> If you don't like the content you can put in the effort to make it more to
> your liking.
> Thats the cool part about complete, unregulated freedom, everybody gets to
> do what they want.
>
> That, apparently isn't good enough for some bored people though.
> They want someone else, someone with some power, to force other people to do
> things their way.
> When that happens normal people get away from it because normal people
> require freedom to do what they want.
>
> Check out some of the moderated groups, blogs, sites, lists, etc. and you
> will see very little content.
> Why?
> Because people don't like it when one person gets to tell everybody else to
> stick it.
>
> My suggestion is to make this group what you think it should be and use the
> only tool to your avail:
> Initiate posts that you believe to be right and allow others to contribute
> as they see fit.
> If you put in enough effort toward your goal you will see success.
> Or.
> Do nothing and expect things to just magically go your way.......

Right! The other day I asked our fine group about
a spice "cumin", everybody but me knew about it,
in a thread about hummus.
So I tried it and turns out to be an aphrodisiac, but
it was too hot to have romance. Thus it required a
*architectural* modification of my building by retro-
fitting a fan behind the frig was thought to be the
most energy efficent and sound proofed location.

It works well, right now (9:30 am) it's 75F out and
73F in. We also closed our shutters on the sunny
side of the house.
So Hummus is topical :-)...
Ken


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 4, 2007, 8:25 am

>
>>>
>>> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
>>> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
>>> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
>>> >> oriented kind, or what?
>>> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>>>
>>> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
>>> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
>>> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
>>> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
>>> >> income.
>>>
>>> >> What?
>>>
>>> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
>>> >> here's my contribution:
>>>
>>> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
>>> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
>>> >> the term "McMansion?"
>>>
>>> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
>>> >> of local communities?
>>>
>>> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
>>> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
>>> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
>>> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
>>> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
>>> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
>>> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>>>
>>> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>>>
>>> > Thank you
>>>
>>> > Moderatus Unanimous
>>>
>>> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture.
>>> What I
>>> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not
>>> architectural
>>> I close them out.
>>
>> Except this one?
>>
>>> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.
>>
>> In your opinion?
>>
>>> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.
>>
>> He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
>>
>>> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.
>>
>> And...?
>>
>>> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.
>>
>> And...?
>>
>>> Sorry Mr. Moderator.
>>
>> I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
>>
>> How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
>> discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
>> existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
>> original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
>> not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
>> this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
>> garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
>> on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
>> on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
>> own web site or blog.
>>
>> I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
>> that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
>> it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
>> in this manner.
>>
>
> You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
> and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
> newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
> Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
> working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession
> seems helpful to me.

You know you're free like the rest to post whatever you want, even if it is
on topic, right? How many threads have you *started* on topic?

Googling "chuck" "cid" and "architecture" doesn't show many if any started
threads.( I confess I didn't dig too deep. )

Your complaint reminds me of the approbations of the "serious" employees at
the most fun office I ever worked in (sic) 20 years ago. We used to carry on
like children when we weren't behaving like professionals. We're all
succeeded in the business, and most of us have our own firms. We still get
together despite kids and companies, because we *enjoy* ourselves. There's
always a good belly laugh.

You can screw around and be an architect at the same time, and I think you
need a sense of humor to get by in this business, as a "little guy" anyway.
Having heard most of it before, there are frankly few conversations, other
than political or technical ones, that could be construed as "architectural"
that I might find really interesting. They are out there, but most so much
of what passes for 'architectural discourse' is pure marketing that I can't
imagine wasting my time on it.

If you've got a burning topic, other than hummus, why not start a thread?
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



Posted by Pat on July 9, 2007, 10:47 am
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
> >> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
> >> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
> >> >> oriented kind, or what?
> >> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>
> >> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
> >> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
> >> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
> >> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
> >> >> income.
>
> >> >> What?
>
> >> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
> >> >> here's my contribution:
>
> >> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
> >> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
> >> >> the term "McMansion?"
>
> >> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
> >> >> of local communities?
>
> >> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
> >> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
> >> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
> >> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
> >> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
> >> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
> >> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>
> >> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>
> >> > Thank you
>
> >> > Moderatus Unanimous
>
> >> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What
> >> I
> >> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not
> >> architectural
> >> I close them out.
>
> > Except this one?
>
> >> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.
>
> > In your opinion?
>
> >> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.
>
> > He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
>
> >> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.
>
> > And...?
>
> >> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.
>
> > And...?
>
> >> Sorry Mr. Moderator.
>
> > I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
>
> > How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
> > discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
> > existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
> > original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
> > not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
> > this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
> > garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
> > on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
> > on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
> > own web site or blog.
>
> > I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
> > that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
> > it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
> > in this manner.
>
> You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
> and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
> newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
> Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
> working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession seems
> helpful to me.

Yes, I agree. We should stick to discussing architecture. My
computer crashed, as you know, and I've finally rebuilt it. Now, I've
go the glitches down to just a few minor things. But, I'd like to
correct them. Unfortunately, they are all system registry issues. I
need a system architect who I can discuss the registry issues with,
esp. how the relate to my network. So I guess I also need a network
architect. Got any good architects around? Oh, and they should be
registered architects to keep it all legit, but Novell or Microsoft
certification is fine with me. Bring on the system architects !!!



Posted by RicodJour on July 9, 2007, 10:57 am
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
> > >> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
> > >> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
> > >> >> oriented kind, or what?
> > >> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>
> > >> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
> > >> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
> > >> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
> > >> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
> > >> >> income.
>
> > >> >> What?
>
> > >> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
> > >> >> here's my contribution:
>
> > >> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
> > >> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
> > >> >> the term "McMansion?"
>
> > >> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
> > >> >> of local communities?
>
> > >> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
> > >> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
> > >> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
> > >> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
> > >> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
> > >> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
> > >> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>
> > >> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>
> > >> > Thank you
>
> > >> > Moderatus Unanimous
>
> > >> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What
> > >> I
> > >> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not
> > >> architectural
> > >> I close them out.
>
> > > Except this one?
>
> > >> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.
>
> > > In your opinion?
>
> > >> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.
>
> > > He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
>
> > >> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.
>
> > > And...?
>
> > >> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.
>
> > > And...?
>
> > >> Sorry Mr. Moderator.
>
> > > I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
>
> > > How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
> > > discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
> > > existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
> > > original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
> > > not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
> > > this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
> > > garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
> > > on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
> > > on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
> > > own web site or blog.
>
> > > I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
> > > that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
> > > it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
> > > in this manner.
>
> > You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
> > and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
> > newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
> > Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
> > working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession seems
> > helpful to me.
>
> Yes, I agree. We should stick to discussing architecture. My
> computer crashed, as you know, and I've finally rebuilt it. Now, I've
> go the glitches down to just a few minor things. But, I'd like to
> correct them. Unfortunately, they are all system registry issues. I
> need a system architect who I can discuss the registry issues with,
> esp. how the relate to my network. So I guess I also need a network
> architect. Got any good architects around? Oh, and they should be
> registered architects to keep it all legit, but Novell or Microsoft
> certification is fine with me. Bring on the system architects !!!

Not for nothing, Pat, but I'd go with the system engineer. ;)

R


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